Single Mom Refuses Deployment

[HadesChubbs]

Another story of a woman trying to take advantage of the military system, nothing we haven't seen before.

[archibaldcrane]

her 13-month-old son, Kamani.

Fuck her kid, all she has to do is press up up down down left right left right b a start and she can get 30 more of them - let this one die.

[Aksannyi]

I doubt this thread would have so many negative replies if it was a single father. You'd all call him fucking father of the year.

Sexist dickwads. Not every woman in the military is out to avoid being responsible and doing the service they signed up for. I damn sure did not plan on getting pregnant when I was in the military - though it did happen, after my six months in the sandbox - and I know several other women who happily deploy along with their units without even considering taking on the lifetime commitment of a child over a six month tour in Iraq. And any woman who would do such a thing is so stupid we wouldn't want her fighting alongside us in the first damn place.

None of you know her motivations for getting pregnant, whether it was intentional or not, what happened to the father, etc. And something that really pisses me off is how many people think that all women who get pregnant are simply trying to get out of doing their duty to their country. It is simply not true.

That said, I'd have done the same thing in her shoes. Was she supposed to leave the baby at a bus stop or something?

[Foof]

I guess I have to reserve my judgment partially seeing as we don't have any actual info from either side. I don't think her discharge should have been downgraded - I feel as though if you're going to claim you can't take care of your child, you should do so before the day of your deployment. Yeah, I know she said her mom backed out last minute and all, but I'm not buying it. I don't see a mother backing out when they know you're not going to be there for 6-12 months...and if you really cared about the child, you'd have backups.

Single women get separated all the time for not being able to support their child and stay in the military. She went through all the wrong steps I think...

[archibaldcrane]

That's all fine and good Aksannyi, except considering the military would've court-martialed because they had evidence she'd been trying to get out of her deployment for quite a while, and only didn't so as not to disrupt other deployed soldiers, I'm not inclined to give this one the benefit of the doubt.

Plus, she named her kid fucking Kamani, so fuck her.

[Aksannyi]

That's all fine and good Aksannyi, except considering the military would've court-martialed because they had evidence she'd been trying to get out of her deployment for quite a while, and only didn't so as not to disrupt other deployed soldiers, I'm not inclined to give this one the benefit of the doubt.

Plus, she named her kid fucking Kamani, so fuck her.

Honestly I don't know her situation fully. I read an article about it a few months ago but that's it. But if she says there was no one there to care for her child I can't blame her. There were probably better ways to go about it but she was a mother first, so I can't fault her for that.

And really my rant is based on this: I do climb right up on a soap box every time people insinuate that military women can't keep their legs closed and they do it to get out of their job. That pisses me off beyond belief. Reading the replies to this thread fucking pissed me off.

[archibaldcrane]

And really, I do climb right up on a soap box every time people insinuate that military women can't keep their legs closed

Well...


...you couldn't, could you?

[Aksannyi]

I was also engaged to my ex-husband at the time. And I served my entire term.

[HadesChubbs]

I doubt this thread would have so many negative replies if it was a single father. You'd all call him fucking father of the year.

Sexist dickwads. Not every woman in the military is out to avoid being responsible and doing the service they signed up for. I damn sure did not plan on getting pregnant when I was in the military - though it did happen, after my six months in the sandbox - and I know several other women who happily deploy along with their units without even considering taking on the lifetime commitment of a child over a six month tour in Iraq. And any woman who would do such a thing is so stupid we wouldn't want her fighting alongside us in the first damn place.

None of you know her motivations for getting pregnant, whether it was intentional or not, what happened to the father, etc. And something that really pisses me off is how many people think that all women who get pregnant are simply trying to get out of doing their duty to their country. It is simply not true.

That said, I'd have done the same thing in her shoes. Was she supposed to leave the baby at a bus stop or something?

She has no sense of duty, would probably be why some people disagree with her actions. If you join the military, dont do things that will prevent you from fulfilling that commitment. If I was to sign a contract to become a football player, then said fukit and went to college instead, then it not only shows I didnt care about my football career, but that I have no sense of obligation to people I make promises to.

If she joins the military, she should do her time, then start her life. I dont give a shit if she "wants a baby at a young age", then she shouldn't join the military. It's not rocket science.

[archibaldcrane]

The key part of this article is this, Aks:

Fort Stewart spokesman Kevin Larson said the Army had evidence that Hutchinson, regardless of her family situation, would have resisted deploying "by any means." He said commanders decided a court-martial would be too disruptive to the Army, requiring soldiers now in Afghanistan to return to the U.S. to testify.

"This case wasn't about a soldier having to choose between her duty to the nation and her family," Larson said. "There is evidence both from Pvt. Hutchinson and her fellow soldiers to indicate she had no intentions of deploying."

Sure, that could all be a big lie, but...to what end?

[Aksannyi]

If she joins the military, she should do her time, then start her life. I dont give a shit if she "wants a baby at a young age", then she shouldn't join the military. It's not rocket science.

Again, it's not like most women actually plan to get pregnant. I didn't. I still did my job until I got desk duty, then had my kid and went back to working, but it's not like people always decide to get pregnant and fuck the military.

Maybe she did, I don't know. But not all women do. And again, it pisses me off that people think automatically that when a woman gets pregnant in the military that she's doing it on purpose to get out of working. I had no intention of getting pregnant when I did, but shit happens, you know?

I'm gonna get all worked up over this lol. Gonna sit down and have a cold one before replying anymore.

Oh, and OHI NUBBS.

[HadesChubbs]

Again, it's not like most women actually plan to get pregnant. I didn't. I still did my job until I got desk duty, then had my kid and went back to working, but it's not like people always decide to get pregnant and fuck the military.

Maybe she did, I don't know. But not all women do. And again, it pisses me off that people think automatically that when a woman gets pregnant in the military that she's doing it on purpose to get out of working. I had no intention of getting pregnant when I did, but shit happens, you know?

I'm gonna get all worked up over this lol. Gonna sit down and have a cold one before replying anymore.

Oh, and OHI NUBBS.

Thats the thing though, maybe she didnt try to get pregnant, but did she try NOT to? In 99% of cases the answer is no. Maybe you're that 1%, but for this case ima go ahead and just label this hoe.

AND HI.

[aduidarnenye]

I think she did the right thing the wrong way. She should have gone in to her commanding officer and explained what happened instead of calling by phone. That was very disrespectful I think.

Also, women who get pregnant don't have to leave the military, as far as I know. I grew up on military bases and live in a military city, mind you Canadian. I have seen pregnant women in uniform a lot. In fact, I went to the recruiting office to apply to join the navy and there was a heavily pregnant woman working there.

I just think that they put you into desk jobs for the duration of your pregnancy, put you on maternity leave for a year, and then get you back into service after that. I also don't believe you get paid during maternity leave, but I'm not sure of that.

The smocks they use as uniforms for pregnant women are godawful ugly.

[Aksannyi]

You get like six weeks after you give birth. It may be different after a c-section, I'm not sure. I can't remember. Certainly not a year, though. But yeah, you basically get desk duty for that time period. And yeah, the pregnancy uniforms are horrible looking. The BDUs were okay but the dress uniforms are ridiculous.

You are given the option to get out (Chapter 8 - damn parentheses + 8 made a stupid smiley face), basically it's a preemptive discharge for the lack of a Family Care Plan. If you do lack this plan, you can get out after the fact, but I think it's more difficult to get out at that point. Basically, if you have a kid before you get in, you have one of these in place already from being in Basic and whatnot. If you get pregnant during your service, they work with you about your care plan, and if you can not find a way to create one (no family, etc.) then you can be offered the option to get out. There are other reasonings behind a parenthood discharge but I can't remember how it all works. It was a while ago. But I'm pretty sure that if you stay in after you have the child and then try to get out on parenthood it is harder. So you're better off to get out while pregnant if you're really trying to get out.

She seemed at least willing to stay in the military after giving birth. If she was so hell bent on leaving, why didn't she as soon as she found out she was knocked up? That doesn't make much sense to me. No one really wants to deploy so any talk they may have heard could honestly be hearsay. People bitch about everything in the military. Ask any soldier if they want to go to Iraq and I'll bet they say no. Or at least most would. So to say that she'd do anything to get out of it might not mean much, considering a lot of other people might have had the same attitude toward deploying.

Then again, I don't know all the details. But now that I've calmed down a bit those are a few other thoughts that come to mind.

[aduidarnenye]

You get like six weeks after you give birth. It may be different after a c-section, I'm not sure. I can't remember. Certainly not a year, though. But yeah, you basically get desk duty for that time period. And yeah, the pregnancy uniforms are horrible looking. The BDUs were okay but the dress uniforms are ridiculous.

You only get SIX weeks for maternity leave? That's incredibly short. In Canada we get a year (actually 50 weeks plus your regular 2 weeks vacation) if you've worked for a certain amount of time in the job (it's short, like 6 months). I'm pretty sure it's not paid, or at least not most of it, but they can't give your job away during that time period. Six weeks is crazy short.

[Aksannyi]

It's pretty much short in the States. Maybe it's 12 weeks. I don't know. I don't remember how long it was after my first son was born before I started working again and I wasn't employed when my second son was born.

I know for sure that maternity leave isn't very long though. A few months at the most.

[Ksandra]

So my friend is too lazy to post, so I'm going to give a very bad description in hoping to piss him off into explaining it better, but I guess because of what she did, they always replace the person. If she was a cook, then that means as soon as she went missing they would have found the next cook to go instead of her. Meaning someone else got sent with a last minute noticed because she backed out.

Take it for what you will, but figured I'd throw that into the pot.

[Bikpik]

You only get SIX weeks for maternity leave? That's incredibly short. In Canada we get a year (actually 50 weeks plus your regular 2 weeks vacation) if you've worked for a certain amount of time in the job (it's short, like 6 months). I'm pretty sure it's not paid, or at least not most of it, but they can't give your job away during that time period. Six weeks is crazy short.

Depends on the job but the least you'll get is 60% of your current pay check for up to 1 year, sometimes longer. You're basically going on employment insurance for that time.

99% of the people who join the military(well here in Canada) doesn't have, what you would call a great family life, so getting someone to watch your child can be difficult, and I've known women who have gotten pregnant to avoid deployments before (in the Navy, and they were only 6 months).

edit: oh and I forgot, even the husband can take the time off, if the wife makes more than him.

[JigglyJam]

The army doesn't pay for abortions?

[wipers]

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...081904,00.html