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    Quote Originally Posted by JigglyJam View Post
    The army doesn't pay for abortions?
    The Australian navy pays for breast enhancements. Our military needs to step up and help out our ladies with their needs.

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007...stralian-navy/

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    de-cunt every woman in the military - problem solved

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes11 View Post
    de-cunt every woman in the military - problem solved
    How do you remove something that is basically a gaping wound in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    How do you remove something that is basically a gaping wound in the first place?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting

    Since Obama is an African Muslim, this edict should be get passed any day now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZarakiKujata View Post
    bitch is a commie that should be thrown into guantanamo for being a traitor to this country.
    hallelujah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryssan View Post
    As to his shore leave or however you describe it, it would depend on his rank/rate and what type of platform he's on. Some platforms have a dedicated sea/shore rotation that is never deviated from, whereas others can literally be in for 3 days, then go out for a month and not come home for 9 months with periods of up to 3 months without seeing shore. The longest period at sea so far was around 6 months, so its honestly not unexpected for them to be gone for that long, but people somehow distract themselves from that truth. Rank/rate will also go a long way in determining sea/shore rotation. Military life is not well suited for relationships.



    However, that all being said, a single parent in the armed forces can most assuredly get custody of a child. Back during Operation DESERT SHIELD, when the military activated a massive contingent, they found that a lot of single parent families or dual military families were not ready for such action, which caused a major strain on BUPERS. It led to the adoption of DoD Instruction 1342.19. Still, it is more likely, at least from the experience I've had watching families split up, that the female is more likely to get custody of the children if she wants them unless there are some major circumstances existing which dictate why she should not.

    From the other aforementioned thread.


    So, what does 1342.19 actually say, you wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoD Instruction 1342.19 Excerpts
    1. PURPOSE
    This Instruction under reference (a) establishes policy, assigns responsibilities and
    prescribes procedures on the care of family members of DoD and emergency-essential
    (E-E) civilian personnel who are single parents; dual-military couples with dependents;
    or members or E-E civilian personnel who otherwise bear sole responsibility for the
    care of children under the age of 19; or other personnel with family members who are
    unable to care for themselves in the absence of the member or E-E employee.


    2. APPLICABILITY AND SCOPE
    This Instruction applies to:

    2.1. The Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Military Departments, the
    National Guard, the Reserve components, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and
    the Joint Staff, the Unified and Specified Commands, the Defense Agencies and the
    DoD Field Activities (hereafter referred to collectively as "the DoD Components").
    The term "Military Services," as used herein, refers to the Army, the Navy, the Air
    Force, the Marine Corps, and the Coast Guard when it is operating as a Military
    Service in the Navy.

    2.2. All military personnel serving on active duty and in the Ready Reserve.
    While the Department of Defense does not have authority to direct E-E civilian and
    contractor personnel to prepare a family care plan, the Department of Defense strongly
    encourages civilian and contractor personnel in E-E positions (references (b) and (c)),
    to establish family care plans consistent with this Instruction. E-E and contractor
    personnel should also avail themselves and their caregivers of the information, support,
    and resources provided by family centers and social service organizations within legal
    constraints.


    4. POLICY
    It is DoD policy that:
    4.1. The member is responsible for the care of family members during
    deployments and temporary duty, as at all other times. Members with responsibility
    for family members covered in subsections 4.6. or 4.9., below, are required to have a
    family care plan. Failure to produce a family care plan within the period stipulated in
    subsection 4.8., may result in disciplinary action and or administrative separation in
    accordance with DoD Directives 1332.14 and 1332.30 (references (d) and (e)). In the
    case of Reserve members, the Military Department may recommend discharge or
    transfer to an inactive or retired status if the Reserve member is eligible in accordance
    with DoD Directive 1200.7 (reference (f)).


    4.3. Family care plans shall include provisions for short-term absences (for
    example, temporary duty for schooling or training, or, in the case of Reserve
    component members, active duty for training), and long-term absences (for example,
    operational deployment, mobilization and for Reserve component members, activation
    of Reserve component personnel for an operational mission or in a period of national
    emergency or mobilization) and designate a caregiver for the affected members of the
    Service member's family. The Military Departments will ensure Service members
    who meet the definition of a dual-military couple with dependents or single parent
    designate a person whom they wish in the event of their death or incapacity to assume
    temporary custody of their child until a legal guardian is appointed by a court of
    competent jurisdiction. This designation shall be recorded in the member's official
    military personnel record and is not a substitute for a will or other legal document.
    Members and E-E civilian personnel are strongly encouraged to have valid wills (in the
    event of their deaths during deployment) that designate guardians for permanent care
    of their family members.

    4.4. The commander or supervisor has the primary responsibility to ensure that
    members who meet the criteria in subsections 4.6. or 4.9., below, have an up-to-date
    family care plan. The member's commander, the commander's designated
    representative, or the member's immediate supervisor shall discuss the importance of a
    comprehensive family care plan with the member and inform the member that he or
    she may be subject to disciplinary action and or separated from Service for failure to
    have a care plan. The commander, commander's representative, or supervisor shall
    recommend that the member seek assistance from Service organizations and other
    resources (paragraphs 4.4.1. and 4.4.2., below) to assist in the preparation of the family
    care plan as outlined in subparagraphs 4.4.1. and 4.4.2., below. The Military
    Departments will establish by regulations the officials who have primary responsibility
    to ensure Ready Reservists have an up-to-date family care plan. The regulations will
    also specify the officials responsible for ensuring that Ready Reservists are adequately
    informed of the importance of a family care plan and resources to assist in preparation
    of the family care plan.
    4.4.1. These resources include installation family centers, legal assistance
    offices, child care centers, and other offices that retain lists of certified child care
    providers. This also includes private sector community organizations that maintain
    lists of licensed caregivers in the community.
    4.4.2. The Military Departments shall ensure that National Guard and
    Reserve component members have family support resources available within a
    reasonable proximity of the National Guard and Reserve unit. National Guard
    members may be referred to the family program coordinator located within each State
    for assistance. Reserve members may be referred to the appropriate family program
    coordinator for assistance as designated by the Reserve component. However, the
    family program coordinator designated by the Reserve component should consider
    physical proximity of the member's unit or domicile. The purpose of the member
    seeking assistance is to increase the awareness of the implications of long-term or
    sudden deployments and to ensure the member establishes a family care plan that is
    realistic and workable.

    4.5. Family centers play a key role in assisting members responsible for
    development of a family care plan. While commanders are responsible for ensuring
    that their members have an acceptable family care plan, the family centers upon
    request of unit commanders or members shall provide information and assistance in the
    development of a family care plan. Commanders, consistent with DoD Directive
    4001.1 (reference (g)), shall ensure that family centers and family program
    coordinators have information (for example, brochures, handouts, classes) that cover
    all aspects of deployments. If needed, family centers shall provide individual
    counseling to those members requiring assistance in the development of their family
    care plan. Information provided by the family center shall cover subjects and problem
    areas faced by families when a member deploys (for example, separation anxiety,
    coping skills, parenting tips, stress management, schooling, financial arrangements,
    and location of key documents). The Services will establish procedures to ensure
    members and families who do not have ready access to installation family centers are
    provided an outreach program. While family centers have a role in support of
    commanders and members in developing a family care plan, responsibility for family
    care plans shall not be delegated to a family center.

    4.6. A family care plan is required of all single member parents with custody of
    children and military couples with dependents. A family care plan is required if
    family circumstances or other personal status of a member changes such that the
    member becomes solely responsible for the logistical (housing, food, clothing,
    transportation), medical, or financial support of another person. Such family
    circumstances include, but are not limited to:
    4.6.1. Birth of a child.
    4.6.2. Adoption.
    4.6.3. Loss of a spouse through death, separation, or divorce when that
    results in the member's assuming the responsibilities in subsection 4.6., above, or 4.9.,
    below.
    4.6.4. Enlistment (or being commissioned) in the military (active duty or
    Reserve component) by a spouse when the member and spouse become a dual-military
    couple with dependents.
    4.6.5. Assumption of sole care for an elderly or disabled family member.
    4.6.7. Absence of a spouse through career or job commitments or other
    personal reasons that result in the member assuming the responsibilities in subsection
    4.6., above.

    4.7. The active duty military member must notify his or her commander,
    supervisor, or the commander's designated representative immediately but no later than
    30 days of the occurrence of change in family circumstances or personal status.
    Ready Reservists have 60 days to notify the authority designated under Military
    Department regulations of the occurrence of a change in circumstance or personal
    status.

    4.8. The active duty member shall submit the final family care plan (the minimum
    actions required in a family care plan are outlined in subsection 6.5., below) through
    his or her chain of command within 60 days of the discussion with the commander,
    supervisor, or the commander's designated representative under subsection 4.4.,
    above. The Military Departments shall implement guidance for members of the
    Reserve component. Implementing guidance shall require the member to submit the
    final family care plan within 90 days of notification by the agency or activity
    designated by the Military Department. Failure to produce the required family care
    plan at this time can result in involuntary separation from Service by reason of
    parenthood in accordance with DoD Directive 1332.14 (reference (d)) or DoD
    Directive 1332.30 (reference (e)). Failure to produce the required family care plan in
    the case of the Reserve member can result in processing for discharge or transfer to an
    inactive or retired status. If mitigating circumstances are involved, tbe commander or
    supervisor concerned may grant the member an additional 30 days to submit an
    acceptable family care plan. Further extensions are not authorized.

    4.9. Family care plans are required of members who are solely responsible for the
    care of a spouse, elderly, or other adult family member with disabilities who is
    dependent upon the member for financial, medical, or logistical support (housing,
    food, clothing, transportation). This includes a family member with limited command
    of English, or the inability to drive or to gain access to basic life-sustaining facilities
    (for example, food, medical care). Secretaries of the Military Departments and
    installation commanders may exercise personal judgment in implementing this
    subsection based upon consideration of geographic location or mission. For example,
    members who, with their families, are assigned to an isolated location and or whose
    family members have limited language and/or communication skills in a foreign
    country may be required to have a family care plan at the discretion of the Secretary of
    the Military Department or the commander concerned.

    4.10. All members and commanders shall consider provisions for contingencies.
    The member shall discuss with the commander, supervisor, or the commander's
    designated representative an alternate caregiver for family members if the primary
    caregiver becomes unable to perform this function. This discussion should cover the
    member's plans for arrangement of logistical, financial, medical and legal
    documentation necessary to ensure continuity of care and support for family
    members. Logistical arrangements are further outlined in subsection 4.11., below.


    4.11. Family care plans shall include provisions for logistical movement of the
    family or caregiver. Logistical arrangements shall include, but are not limited to,
    arrangements to relocate, if necessary, the caregiver or family to a new location,
    financial, medical and legal support necessary to ensure continuity of care and support
    of family members during the movement. Logistical arrangements must provide for
    financial support necessary to transport the family or caregiver to a designated
    location. Consideration of a non-military escort for family members requiring
    assistance such as infants, children, elderly and disabled adults should be outlined
    when personal family considerations dictate.

    4.12. Family care plans shall include arrangements for the financial well-being of
    family members covered by the family care plan during short- and long-term
    separations. Arrangements for financial care should include power(s) of attorney,
    allotments, or other appropriate means to ensure the self-sufficiency and financial
    security of family members. Military Department guidance will ensure members are
    aware that assistance with financial arrangements and planning can be obtained at
    family centers, legal assistance offices and Service relief organizations.

    4.13. Military mothers of newborns shall receive a 4-month deferment from duty
    away from the home station for the period immediately following the birth of a child.
    This provision is to assist the member in developing family care plans and to establish
    a pattern of child care. Single members or one member of a military couple who
    adopt shall receive a 4-month deferment from the date the child is placed in the home
    as part of the formal adoption process. Similarly, Reserve component members
    receive a 4-month deferment from involuntary recall to active duty. This 4-month
    deferment policy is further explained in DoD Directive 1315.7 (reference h).


    Spoilered for length.



    These are just excerpts, I can't post the whole thing due to character post limitations. For the full instruction read here.


    The article states that she had one of these plans.


    However, based on the article, the military is full within rights to kick her out. The courtmarshal point however is not covered under this instruction, so either someone was out to make an example of her, or she did something else that was bad enough to warrant such an event and they decided to settle it through NJP instead. Without knowing more information about the backstory, I cannot derive a conclusion to those points.

    Based on what I glean from the article, it is obvious she was not prepared should the primary fall through, and did not take the appropriate actions she was required to take, instead deciding to wait until movement orders occurred prior to informing her chain of command of the situation, and as a result is being punished for at least that much of it. It's called missing movement, and waiting several days after a situation has occurred to inform anyone of your new situation and then calling the day of is at the very least malingering if not malicious intent.


    Yes, it sucks that her plan for her mother caring for the child fell through. However, she did not take the required actions and is being punished for it. The article sucks for not giving us pertinent information and leaving us to assume a whole bunch of factors in order to derive our conclusions.

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    Seems like everything is about right in this situation. The woman knew the consequences of getting pregnant while in the military if she didn't have a very solid circle who could help her if she got deployed, but she still made the correct (only?) choice she could have made by not leaving her child alone. The military also did the only thing they could have realistically done and gave her the proper punishment. Luckily she's not going to be serving jail time and will be able to watch her child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atreides View Post
    in before "front page news when a woman wont get in the kitchen" etc
    cept this one would just be crazy because it's drama that she won't get out of the kitchen

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    Well, here is the army perspective:

    Yes she is a douche, and yes she was wrong. There are family care plans and I believe after more research this person did have some family members to care for her child (the army wont deploy you if you dont). It is apparent that she had no intention on fulfilling her commitment and was subsequently discharged.

    As to why she wasnt punished more, people rarely get court-marshaled for refusing to deploy. AWOLs and refusal to deploys are 99% of the time just chaptered out, so it isnt like we are going extra soft on her.

    Story isnt that shocking, soldier doesnt deploy, soldier gets kicked out. Nothing to see here.

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