Go go Rhode Island

[ZarakiKujata]

I don't know I don't live in NJ. But I know having a NJ state teaching liscense is good in like 49 states or something.

thats true of most northeastern states, I know the same is true in CT, quite a few of the student teachers I encountered in HS were here simply for a teaching cert

[Leif]

Why is it that private schools, which regularly hire teachers without teaching certificates, get better scores out of their students?


Nah, those certificate things couldn't be bogus, could they?

[ZarakiKujata]

because private schools tend to be filled with kids of people who can afford to send them there and probably are smarter as a population than the population of public schools that have to deal with darkies who could give a fuck about school?

[Cleverness]

yea because brooklyn doesn't have just as many festering shitholes as new jersey lol

Last I checked Brooklyn didn't have a nickname like "The Garbage State".

And don't say varied conditions, while I'd argue that the sheer number of students has a lot to do with it(gogo stuffing kids into classrooms until there's no room to get up), pretty much if people don't WANT to get an education, they won't pass and just drop out here. Cutting class everyday to hang with your shorty is nice, but when you wondering why you're getting held back, again, cause you didn't pass almost all your classes, it's no surprise why those statistics turn out that way.

[archibaldcrane]

Why is it that private schools, which regularly hire teachers without teaching certificates, get better scores out of their students?

Because their parents are choosing to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to send them there, and therefore ride their kids asses about doing well in school.

This isn't rocket science.

[Not Kuno]

Why is it that private schools, which regularly hire teachers without teaching certificates, get better scores out of their students?


Nah, those certificate things couldn't be bogus, could they?

Some private schools are better, some public schools are better. The thing that matters most is who is running it. Schools are like a buisness, you can have amazing workers in the shop but if the boss is an idiot then it can only go so far. Some private schools arn't doing too hot, and some public schools are doing great. As far as I know there isn't a huge gap between private/public. What you are going to see is that public gets a ton of shitty schools which lowers the score on their end, making private schools seem better in comparison, when in reality they're just paying to not deal with that sort of thing.

[Ksandra]

Why is it that private schools, which regularly hire teachers without teaching certificates, get better scores out of their students?

Wrong. They are allowed to, but most will only hirer teachers with certificates. Usually only time they take people without certificates is because they hold a PHD. But it's not regular.


Start proving it.

[Leif]

Wait, so they have smarter students and dumber teachers?

Wrong. They are allowed to, but most will only hirer teachers with certificates. Usually only time they take people without certificates is because they hold a PHD. But it's not regular.

"Wrong"? I said they regularly hire teachers without teaching certificates. That means: "usual; normal; customary".

Especially considering that private schools pay less, and are more open to hiring teachers without the formalities, how am I "wrong"? I'd say about half of the teachers at the private school I went do did not have teaching certificates.

I think my circumstantial evidence is significant enough that if you're going to simply claim that I'm wrong, you have some things to disprove.


Or is this one of those "standardized testing is socialism" things?


I don't usually like to insult people's intelligence, but you're not very smart. When I say something that cannot be proven wrong, you accuse me of being a liar and a hypocrite.

[Kuya]

Leif, baby.

[Leif]

Leif, baby.

Yes, hunny?

[ZarakiKujata]

http://schmovies.files.wordpress.com...cartmenez1.jpg

HOW DO I REEEEACH THIS TROLLLLL

[Kuya]

Yes, hunny?

It won't be long before these liberals try to turn you into a victim to use for their own causes. Soon they will accuse of you being indoctrinated and pretend to want to inform you, when what they really want to do is make themselves feel meaningful by demeaning you.

[Kyreth]

So why are you hailing your state because it spends one million times as much?

Wisconsin is also home to the nation's largest voucher program. Obviously the liberals have not taken over.

Ah, so when money spent gets the best results, this is somehow a bad thing? Quality can cost. Jersey spends money and gets results, DC and NY do not. The best results are expensive? Acceptable, though a wise government will seek thriftier ways to get it. The crappy results are MORE expensive? Unacceptable. The crappy results are cheap? ALSO unacceptable.

DC's had crappy results for decades, through the funding they've gotten from Congress, shoveling money into a do-or-don't-we-care-not system. It's a shitty system derived from having a federal government running a city, something that the liberal side of things (again, those pesky Democrats) have been trying to cut out ever since they started backing state's rights for DC and self-government. Three guesses who hasn't been supporting state's rights for DC...

And as for Wisconsin? I view them as a useful model that everyone should look at in rebuilding their own programs. Clearly, they're engaging in a progressive educational system here, and those experiments are bearing fruit. It shouldn't be a battle of culture or values- it should be finding out what works and applying it. Fuck, I'm a moderate. I see benefits to both liberal AND conservative views, but I detest the polarization that shoves them both away from what should be common ground- the ground we move forward on.

Evan Bayh speaks the truth: "too much narrow ideology and not enough practical problem solving," -it applies to all kinds of governance, not just education and certainly to the Congress he referred to when saying it. I think the "fire em all" axe that the OP speaks about might well be an attempt to get to the heart of the problem, and possibly the only solution given how entrenched the cycle of failure has become...and how few other options were available.

[Beckwin]

I can spot all the middle class suburban white boys from comments like "50% failure rate? what the hell are teachers doing?"

[ZarakiKujata]

Three guesses who hasn't been supporting state's rights for DC...
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http://parodynews.files.wordpress.co...06-posters.jpg

Pretty sure it isn't the guy on the left.

[Rhinox]

You know what we need? more threads about teachers and education.

[Leif]

Clearly, they're engaging in a progressive educational system here, and those experiments are bearing fruit.

You can't say "Oh look, they have the nation's largest voucher program! It's evidence of why the liberal approach works!"

No, it's evidence of why the liberal approach doesn't work.


Also, who would want D.C., the basket case of all basket cases, as a state?

[Kuya]

D.C has too many blacks.

[Kyreth]

You can't say "Oh look, they have the nation's largest voucher program! It's evidence of why the liberal approach works!"

No, it's evidence of why the liberal approach doesn't work.

It's evidence of why labeling Democrat = "liberal" and Republican = "conservative" doesn't work. The only label that should be slapped on something like that is "successful".

Also, who would want D.C., the basket case of all basket cases, as a state?

How about giving them the same rights of representation as everyone else?

There's about 591,000 people there, as of 2008. Which, just for laughs is about a quarter of the total population of the United States circa 1776. Or more than half the current total population of Rhode Island (which gets it two Senators and two Congressmen, natch.)

So, why does moving into a chunk of the United States suddenly remove your rights to self-determination, including taxation, legislation, and representation in the national government? Including the right to sink or swim like everyone else, as opposed to having their "government" yanked around by Congress?

Politics. Nothing more.

[ZarakiKujata]

It's evidence of why labeling Democrat = "liberal" and Republican = "conservative" doesn't work. The only label that should be slapped on something like that is "successful".



How about giving them the same rights of representation as everyone else?

There's about 591,000 people there, as of 2008. Which, just for laughs is about a quarter of the total population of the United States circa 1776. Or more than half the current total population of Rhode Island (which gets it two Senators and two Congressmen, natch.)

So, why does moving into a chunk of the United States suddenly remove your rights to self-determination, including taxation, legislation, and representation in the national government? Including the right to sink or swim like everyone else, as opposed to having their "government" yanked around by Congress?

Politics. Nothing more.

Their representatives would be democrats.



BLACK DEMOCRATS.