2010 MLB Season Discussion

[*Shinzon*]

TBH I think this whole situation has the capacity to blow up in the Yanks' face. First off, I were Hughes, considering the start to the season, I'd take it very personal getting booted from the rotation. If the Yanks do go say a 6 man rotation, then their bullpen is going to be worse off than it is now, aside from mariano it's not impressive. Vazquez might also throw a shit fit if they even consider stuffing him in the bullpen as well. So again I think this was over aggressive even for the yanks.

[Cephius]

Like I said earlier I can't see them doing this unless they have a deal or plan in place to get rid of one of the other starting pitchers. They're not moving Hughes into the bullpen, Joba has not been so terrible that they NEED to shift him there.

[Trichocyst]

If they trade Werth, especially for Vazquez, I won't be back to this thread until next season. If then. Their pitching has been a strength. Much stronger than anybody had expected even with Blanton struggling and Kyle Kendrick being Kyle Kendrick. They're not hitting. They haven't been hitting. And now with Polanco and Utley out for an extended period they're even deeper in a hole they dug for themselves. They'd be this fucked if they still had Cliff Lee because the team simply stopped hitting.

[Zoolander]

The Yankees are about to get Lee and trade Vazquez for Werth, so good luck with that "doing the Rays a solid" thing.

Also the leagues are imbalanced for a reason, obviously. If they balanced it there would be an uneven number of teams in both leagues, which would either force daily interleague games or 2 teams being off every day which would be a scheduling nightmare.

Never understood a lot of baseballs methods, especially the whole "omg interleague play" thing. Its the same fucking sport. Baseball has always been retarded about handling their business though, so obviously its nothing new or shocking.

[Cephius]

Never understood a lot of baseballs methods, especially the whole "omg interleague play" thing. Its the same fucking sport. Baseball has always been retarded about handling their business though, so obviously its nothing new or shocking.

I never said it made any sense, lol. Just explaining the reasoning behind it. If you think it's retarded, well, I'm sure a lot of people agree with you. I still love the sport, having the leagues be unbalanced really doesn't matter to me.

[Penthesilea]

If they trade Werth, especially for Vazquez, I won't be back to this thread until next season. If then. Their pitching has been a strength. Much stronger than anybody had expected even with Blanton struggling and Kyle Kendrick being Kyle Kendrick. They're not hitting. They haven't been hitting. And now with Polanco and Utley out for an extended period they're even deeper in a hole they dug for themselves. They'd be this fucked if they still had Cliff Lee because the team simply stopped hitting.

I fell out of love with the Phillies this past offseason. Only way the front office can maybe bring me back is to get rid of Ibanez, bring up Brown, and fire Milt Thompson.

[Pringles]

After Cashman trades for Lee, he'll trade Javy to the Heat for Lebron. When Cashman stated Lebron would play in New York, he meant it.

[fren.]

Goddamn..I have no idea what to think of this. Montero is by far the best offensive prospect the Yanks have had since Jeter, he's outperformed Miguel Cabrer and Justin Upton in the minors..but he's most likely a DH and the Yanks aren't gonna have room.

The thought of Cliff Lee and CC Sabathia heading this rotation though..

[Cephius]

I think it proves that the Yankees FO isn't as confident in the rotation as the fans are, either. AJ is so unpredictable, Andy is a 37 year old pitching at a rate that is unsustainable, and Hughes has limits. Guess they wanted to grab Lee before another team picked him up.

Really curious how this will look when the dust settles though.

[Pringles]

I think it proves that the Yankees FO isn't as confident in the rotation as the fans are, either. AJ is so unpredictable, Andy is a 37 year old pitching at a rate that is unsustainable, and Hughes has limits. Guess they wanted to grab Lee before another team picked him up.

I say factor that in and preventing either the Rays or Sox from trading for him will all buy almost lock the division for them. Plus if they go to win the series this year with Lee, it will give them more leverage in getting Lee to stay and sign on with them once he hits FA. The FO might be more concerned in their chances in signing Lee come the off season so they wanted to jump the gun and take as much as they can towards the series this year. That being said, I think it's an unneccesary trade, given Javy's and AJs improvements lately.

Most likely they'll trade Javy for a bat, since they're DH spot is still open and you got Johnsons reports basically not showing good news on that wrist of his.
However Cashman really should focus on the bullpen, it's clearly one of the Yankees weaker links, at least imo.

[Cephius]

I say factor that in and preventing either the Rays or Sox from trading for him will all buy almost lock the division for them. Plus if they go to win the series this year with Lee, it will give them more leverage in getting Lee to stay and sign on with them once he hits FA. The FO might be more concerned in their chances in signing Lee come the off season so they wanted to jump the gun and take as much as they can towards the series this year. That being said, I think it's an unneccesary trade, given Javy's and AJs improvements lately.

Most likely they'll trade Javy for a bat, since they're DH spot is still open and you got Johnsons reports basically not showing good news on that wrist of his.
However Cashman really should focus on the bullpen, it's clearly one of the Yankees weaker links, at least imo.

There have been points made that the window is closing on this Yankee core. Pettitte, Jeter, Posada, A-rod, Mo... these guys aren't young any more. Might as well win championships when you can I guess.

And eh, what bullpen isn't weak? With Robertson, Marte, Joba and Mariano you can't get much better, I never like trading for bullpen arms since its so hit or miss. Vazquez on the trade market is a big deal, once Lee is gone he's the best SP left and cheap ($5m)

[Kyo]

I agree we really need some help in the pen, like I said to the prior to the season Cho Ho Park is not the answer...

[fren.]

This trade will help the pen in October as Hughes will be shifted there. If Joba isn't sucking dick, that pen is gonna be really fucking good.

Next year's draft is loaded, so signing Lee to an extension allows them to keep their picks.

Edit: Gary Sanchez just hit another grand slam, 17 year old completely destroying the GCL.

[Cephius]

Well, apparently the Ms are backing off the deal. Oh well.

[*Shinzon*]

2:44pm: The Mariners are backing off, according to Sherman. The Yankees believe they are no longer in the Lee sweepstakes, as the M's have gone in another direction (all Twitter links). Sherman says 'the Yankees aren't getting Cliff Lee,' since another team has entered discussions aggressively.

Makes you wonder now if the M's were using the Yanks as bait for a better package from the Twins, or possibly the reds.

[fren.]

Holy fuck that organization is fucking dumb. There isn't a single team out there that's gonna top Montero unless the the Angels throw in Trout for whatever godforsaken reason.

Edit: Gonna laugh if Amaro is offering Brown

[*Shinzon*]

Holy fuck that organization is fucking dumb. There isn't a single team out there that's gonna top Montero unless the the Angels throw in Trout for whatever godforsaken reason.

Ramos is considered a better prospect I think at the same position. Might be more MLB ready than Montero in the Ms eyes.

[Cephius]

Ramos is considered a better prospect I think at the same position. Might be more MLB ready than Montero in the Ms eyes.

Better catcher maybe, not a better hitter. Montero is as good a hitting prospect as you're gonna find this side of Stanton and Ike Davis.

And yeah, I wanna know what someone else has offered that beats the the 3 guys the Yankees offered. Oh well, I can't go crazy as long as he doesn't go to the Red Sox or Rays.

[Gregorio]

Glad that deal didn't go through. Baseball would be just broken.

[fren.]

Ramos is considered a better prospect I think at the same position. Might be more MLB ready than Montero in the Ms eyes.

Montero is the best hitting catching prospect in the game, there is no contest. Ramos' abilities as an actual catcher (I don't know what they are) isn't gonna trump that.

Better catcher maybe, not a better hitter. Montero is as good a hitting prospect as you're gonna find this side of Stanton and Ike Davis.

And yeah, I wanna know what someone else has offered that beats the the 3 guys the Yankees offered. Oh well, I can't go crazy as long as he doesn't go to the Red Sox or Rays.

They Rays need a bat, have you seen their offense? shit is terrible. I'm not really concerned about them, Reds should make the plunge, it'd make them a heavy favorite in the Central.