2010 MLB Season Discussion

[Conrad]

It's not, actually. It amazes me that a professional baseball writer can say "I don't like win/loss record because it relies on things outside the pitcher's control" and then decide to use ERA and ERA+ like it doesn't suffer from the same thing. This is why there are stats like FIP and WAR to help evaluate pitchers on the whole scale rather than just one or two flawed statistics. Chances are ERA+ will get it right most of the time, but still.

I think for the sake of the casual reader of that paper, things like ERA+ and WHIP are easier to understand than WAR, FIP, or BABIP and that's why he chose to use those stats as examples. I'm sure (or I should hope that) if he's trying to educate a little bit on sabermetrics, then he probably understands and evalutates pitchers using the rest of them as well.

[Kurp]

*she

And it's hard to believe that she goes much beyond ERA+.

[Conrad]

This is why I don't give writers the benefit of the doubt.

[Cephius]

She's better than most of the buffoons on the BBWAA, but still leaves a lot to be desired. Thinking she's just dumbing it down for the poor souls reading the paper is being pretty optimistic. Advanced stats won't kill anyone if you mention them.

[Cephius]

Francisco Liriano has the highest WAR and FIP in the AL for pitchers at 5.1 WAR and 2.13 FIP.

He doesn't have a chance at the Cy Young. He didn't even have a chance at being an all-star.

Yeah, and Josh Johnson leads the NL in both as well, but who wants to bet that Wainwright gets the Cy Young if he wins 22 games?

[Kurp]

I wouldn't put money on JJ.

[Kurp]

An article about Twins pitching and BABIP: http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/7/27...he-twins-babip

I think most reasonable fans feel the Pavano has been a bit lucky and pitching over his head. Look at Liriano's shit luck with fly balls though in the last graph. The article does a decent job at exposing the Twins outfield for what it is.

[Cephius]

I'm surprised they don't cite the park as reasoning. I don't think the Twins home park quite fits into the xFIP assumption of HR/FB.

[Stiker]

Cliff Lee (future Yankee) is retarded.

13K/0BB/9IP tonight
8 straight starts of 8IP+
114K/7BB on the season
16.28 SO/BB (lolololol)

And he got a no-decision for his efforts. Rangers had some major brain-farts. Thank God for Nellie Cruz robbing a HR and then hitting one of his own in extras.

8+ game lead feels good man.

[Cephius]

Also I saw this on Twitter:

Lee since getting traded: 25Ks, 1 walk.
Smoak since getting traded: 22Ks, 1 walk!

[*Shinzon*]

An article about Twins pitching and BABIP: http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/7/27...he-twins-babip

I think most reasonable fans feel the Pavano has been a bit lucky and pitching over his head. Look at Liriano's shit luck with fly balls though in the last graph. The article does a decent job at exposing the Twins outfield for what it is.

Any news about Morneau yet? The stuff on ESPN's fantasy news is kind of bleh. Is he actually making any progress? His injury is fucking killing me.

[Stiker]

Also I saw this on Twitter:

Lee since getting traded: 25Ks, 1 walk.
Smoak since getting traded: 22Ks, 1 walk!

lol...holy shit, poor guy

[Headspace]

Ceph you mad?

Stay mad.

[Cephius]

Why would I be mad? My team didn't sign TO

[Headspace]

That sounds like a reason to be mad.

[Cephius]

Well I was disappointed he didn't become the newest act in the Jets circus, but nah not mad

[Conrad]

I'm seeing rumors that Domonic Brown's being brought up tonight and Shane Victorino is being put on the DL.

[Headspace]

Why does Dusty always sit Rolen when a rookie pitches?

Fuck you man, that's why Mike Leake and Wood don't get any wins.

[Headspace]

Now we're getting another fast game Archi. Not even an hour yet and top 4.

[Soa]

I'm seeing rumors that Domonic Brown's being brought up tonight and Shane Victorino is being put on the DL.

Its about damn time too, he should have been brought up in June, but you know how the Phillies like to let prospects rot in the minors way too long.

Also to be honest I'm not a big fan of FIP and FIP+, and I know a growing contingent of metrics guys are feeling that way too. There are way to many anomalies to that stat for it to really be taken too seriously.