2010 MLB Season Discussion

[Phey]

You don't need hype to win titles. (I wont hold my breath on this one)

If you follow everything by stats, then if everyone is healthy and consistent then Gaby would more than likely end up winning the title.

(Even if Castro hits .316, he still wouldn't be able to keep up with Sanchez/Heyward/Colvin and the others because of plate appearances)

Castro has 345 ABs right now, 50 more then Colvin and 20 less then Heyward. Castro also is the everyday SS for the Cubs, Colvin plays about 4 games a week.

[Weeks]

Funny how Jaime Garcia is at best an afterthought, considering Posey is the only rookie with a real case over him (And his is driven entirely by an unsustainable BABIP).

[Ohemgee]

Castro has 345 ABs right now, 50 more then Colvin and 20 less then Heyward. Castro also is the everyday SS for the Cubs, Colvin plays about 4 games a week.

He doesn't have as much productivity to be in contention for RotY. Batting average? Maybe.

[Phey]

He doesn't have as much productivity to be in contention for RotY. Batting average? Maybe.

He isn't a power guy but that shouldn't keep him out of contention. I don't see a case for Heyward if he continues at his current pace, .260 average with maybe 20 homers and 80ish RBIs.

[Ohemgee]

You don't need to be a power guy to be productive.

And Heyward leads the rookies in walks. (Getting back the at bats comment)

[Akiyama]

He isn't a power guy but that shouldn't keep him out of contention. I don't see a case for Heyward if he continues at his current pace, .260 average with maybe 20 homers and 80ish RBIs.

Also missed a chunk of games due to that DL stint he was on. Voters could look at that time where his thumb was shit as a "Well, he may be doing better than that if he were health", though I don't think that'd be fair to those who were healthy. Still, anyone with eyes can see it's night and day between thumb injury and without.

And yeah, Heyward has a pretty damn high OPS for Rookies. Average doesn't mean everything as long as you get on base.

Edit: Actually leads the league in OPS. If he got back some of those at-bats he lost on the DL, he'd probalby have more homers/RBI and what not than Ike Davis/Gaby Sanchez, lol.

Mike Stanton has a higher OPS than Heyward, but doesn't qualify just yet. and probably won't.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting...OPS/order/true

[Rhinox]

Same could be said about Colvin.


He hasn't been an everyday guy until recently. And Heyward has had more AB's then Colvin and not as productive arguably.

[Rhinox]

almost 100 less AB's then Heyward to be exact.

[Moss]

Same could be said about Colvin.


He hasn't been an everyday guy until recently. And Heyward has had more AB's then Colvin and not as productive arguably.

Colvin has 13 less runs and RBI, 4 more HRs, similar average. I put extra stock in the fact that Heyward plays a large role in the offense of a first place team.

[Rhinox]

lol using Cakesters Logic the BBWA would extrapolate what he would have done if he was an everyday starter from the start of the season and use that.


Jason has at least 30 games worth of at bats more then Colvin. You really can't compare. Colvin is definately more worthy of getting ROY.

Will he get it? idk thats another story. I just hope the BBWA don't use the lame excuse of playing for the cubs to shaft him on ROY

[Moss]

Jason has at least 30 games worth of at bats more then Colvin. You really can't compare. Colvin is definately more worthy of getting ROY.

You honestly believe that last statement? He has better production per PA, sure, but Heyward has held down RF when healthy without question. Colvin got hot and hit a lot of HRs in a short period, got cold and lost his everyday job, correct?

[Akiyama]

lol using Cakesters Logic the BBWA would extrapolate what he would have done if he was an everyday starter from the start of the season and use that.


Jason has at least 30 games worth of at bats more then Colvin. You really can't compare. Colvin is definately more worthy of getting ROY.

Will he get it? idk thats another story. I just hope the BBWA don't use the lame excuse of playing for the cubs to shaft him on ROY

My logic? All I said was "voters *could* look at it that way", but I'm not sitting here and honestly believing that they should. By the end of the year, I just want whoever is worthy for the ROY to actually win the ROY.

And even though Colvin's been hot and cold, Heyward's had his 1-20 stretches too, so.. can't really go there. Still, not letting any homerism jump in the way here, I actually like Gaby Sanchez more.

[Rhinox]

Again theres 50 million reasons why Colvin isn't an everyday Starter until recently.


New ownership +

14 million due to Fukodome
18 million due to Soriano
5 million due to Marlon Byrd
and lastly
13 million Due to Derek lee.

I don't care if you're Arod reincarnate no rookie is cracking that lineup with salaries like that. Tyler colvin wasn't getting AB not because of performance but because of Money.


So in short Yes I really believe that statement.

Btw he isn't as a streaky hitter as some of you guys have made him out to be he has been pretty damn consistent to those numbers.

[Moss]

My logic? All I said was "voters *could* look at it that way", but I'm not sitting here and honestly believing that they should. By the end of the year, I just want whoever is worthy for the ROY to actually win the ROY.

And even though Colvin's been hot and cold, Heyward's had his 1-20 stretches too, so.. can't really go there. Still, not letting any homerism jump in the way here, I actually like Gaby Sanchez more.

Well yeah, every player has hot and cold stretches. The difference is the Braves really depend on production from Heyward, and he is staying in the lineup until he breaks out of his slumps. Sanchez's numbers are pretty close across the board to Heyward, higher BA but lower OBP. OPS is .811 for Sanchez, .800 for Heyward. If anything I'm slightly biased because I see Heyward come through in the clutch every time, but I don't think I'm being a huge homer here.

[Moss]

Again theres 50 million reasons why Colvin isn't an everyday Starter until recently.


New ownership +

14 million due to Fukodome
18 million due to Soriano
5 million due to Marlon Byrd
and lastly
13 million Due to Derek lee.

I don't care if you're Arod reincarnate no rookie is cracking that lineup with salaries like that. Tyler colvin wasn't getting AB not because of performance but because of Money.


So in short Yes I really believe that statement.

Btw he isn't as a streaky hitter as some of you guys have made him out to be he has been pretty damn consistent to those numbers.

If you are trying to say Colvin got fucked over by his situation and could have won rookie of the year, I won't really argue. But you can't use reasons he didn't make the lineup and say "well he would have had more ABs but..." and name him ROY based on that.

[Rhinox]

I'm not using that as an excuse. Despite him getting shafted on playing time he still has the numbers to back it up.


He deserves to win the ROY imo.

[Headspace]

Jaime's got it you dumb fucks

[Weeks]

He's going to finish around 8th, which is where he belongs.

[Ohemgee]

What Kurt Russel was saying, even if those players do have the great numbers, it comes down to the coaching decision which could be detrimental to their chances of winning.

In the end of the day, Joey Votto for MVP.

[Akiyama]

Again theres 50 million reasons why Colvin isn't an everyday Starter until recently.


New ownership +

14 million due to Fukodome
18 million due to Soriano
5 million due to Marlon Byrd
and lastly
13 million Due to Derek lee.

I don't care if you're Arod reincarnate no rookie is cracking that lineup with salaries like that. Tyler colvin wasn't getting AB not because of performance but because of Money.


So in short Yes I really believe that statement.

Btw he isn't as a streaky hitter as some of you guys have made him out to be he has been pretty damn consistent to those numbers.

...the fuck? If you were to ask Lou who he'd rather start, he'd say the guy putting up numbers and producing. D Lee hasn't produced much until recently, then he had the back problems, then he got traded. Byrd's been pretty damn good. Fukudome's been a god damn waste, and Soriano's so damn streaky, who cares. Suggesting that he wasn't playing because they were owed so much.. well that's silly in my opinion. If you're producing, you earn your way in the line-up.

Either way, pretty fucking sure you saying he got 'fucked over because of the guys making shit tons of money effecting his play-time', and suggesting that me saying 'injuries prevented Heyward from competing at his maximum level'.. then isn't that pot/kettle black, etc? Both are situations beyond their actual control.