I have returned: StarCraft II

[tonyg]

Tip: When they build Void Rays, build things that shoot up.

I was doing MMM, had a shitload of marines, but 2 things ALWAYS happen : either 1. I split up my marines so he has enough voidrays to take them down or 2. I keep my marines grouped but his speeded up voidrays just jump from base to base and my marines have no time to get there in time. I honestly am better at playing zerg now, I'm too used to having fast strike teams and an ohshit larva reserve in case he does something I didn't scout. The real problem with my games is that I can't seem to harass effectively if I'm not playing zerg. I mean I know how and what to do it with, but when I get there and they defend I have no fucking clue how to react.

It really angers me since I lose to people with retarded builds that really shouldn't win, because I both scouted it and know how to defend, but when it comes to it I still get stomped.

Edit : Kuno wanna practice some later tonight? We can try the shitty tactics that we have problems with and try to counter them. PM me on here if you're interested

[Secksi]

Any replays? I'm sure someone here can give you guys some tips. Protoss player myself, but I never mess with rays.

[Thunder]

My advice to a bronze leaguer would be to ignore fancy "counters", tactics, and strategies and instead focus on macro. Don't supply block yourself, always be making workers, use energy when applicable, make enough unit producing structures, and make units! Shouldn't worry about something like harassment in bronze-plat. People will hurt themselves more than any harassment could with supply blocks and missing workers. You're better off focusing on not missing your own stuff. Oh, and just attack whenever a cool upgrade finishes like stim/weapon+1/armor+1/charge./any speed.

I can't stress enough how macro/mechanics >>>>>>>>>>>>> skill/tactics/strategies/fancy shit like harassment. Makes the game sound like a chore but it all becomes second nature pretty soon and then you'll be able to focus on unit composition and micro!

[Not Kuno]

Edit : Kuno wanna practice some later tonight? We can try the shitty tactics that we have problems with and try to counter them. PM me on here if you're interested

Won't be able to because a) Got like 15 more pages of thesis to do and b) FFXI patch tomorrow will probably consume any other free time.

[Falaras]

always be making workers

Oh my god yes, I was watching rumble in the bronze yesterday and saw two people play a 30 minute game with only 20 workers each and they even had expansions. It was really funny when one player threw down a Stargate with a scout probe still in his base, and the other player reacted by getting a Robo. Immortals rock at killing Void Rays.

[tonyg]

Goddamn I can't stop laughing, this terran guy I was playing against was being cocky since the beginning saying he was gonna kick my ass and all, and I saw he was going 3 rax, so I started teching to baneling+burrow, but he rushed me before I could transform some lings. He said LOL I WIN U FAIL before he even beat me, and sure enough my 8 roaches popped and killed his remaining marines. Of course he panicked and didn't touch my sacrifice overlord so I saw he just built a fuckload of marines instead of expanding. Popped 10 lings -> baneling and burrowed them at the choke.

He came up and was being an arrogant prick again by saying "now i win", and just as he said that i made my BL explode and decimated his forces, went through the backdoor with my mutas and got him down. Shit like this gets my morale up so much.

[GRT]

um, so the (probable) ending of HotS leaked, and i couldn't help but watch it

but damn that's pretty epic

[Misuicide]

um, so the (probable) ending of HotS leaked, and i couldn't help but watch it

but damn that's pretty epic

Yea i saw it too, looks awesome, lol

[tonyg]

How can I defend a 100ish supply army consisted of zealots blink stalkers and colossus as a zerg? I tried burrowing banelings to clear the zealots and make way for my backdoor lings, but one observer and this stuff doesn't work. I also tried going corruptor, but they get raped by the stalkers before they could finish the first colossus, I also tried getting hydras with +1 range to snipe the stalkers and backdoor with banelings, but he saw them coming and just killed them from afar with his colossus. I'm a bronze and was playing against my cousin which is in Diamond, but it really felt like I had the game in my hands after I denied his first attack. Would infestor with neural parasite be something useful, or would he simply kill it with his stalkers?

[Jotaru]

I'm a bronze and was playing against my cousin

Macro, macro, macro. Up until Silver/Gold, you can almost completely ignore counters and fare very well just making sure you're constantly macroing. I'm sure as a Diamond his unit composition was about perfect (utilizing all his resources, not leaving a weak point in his army, etcetc) but with even macro you'd have about the same and it would come down to micro. Comparing vs. a Diamond player is kinda outta whack- make sure your macro is up to par to your opponents, worry about the rest later.

[Not Kuno]

General advice for good zerg macro? Other than constantly make drones and exp? I find that I always tech too much and then have shit when I'm attacked.

[Anakron]

Zerg macro is a lot trickier since your army and drones come from the same larvae, so constantly making drones is not always a good idea. You really need to scout once in a while to see whether they're massing or teching / droning / expanding. Speed zerglings are great to scout, and if that fails, don't be afraid to sac an Overlord or use Overseers. In bronze and silver, a couple spine crawlers protected by evo chambers can probably be done blindly in most games, but it really goes back to scouting. For example, your response to a 4-gate or a forge-expand should be very different.

Also, don't be afraid to sac your exp in favor of holding your ramp if necessary. Often times, the extra production and the short time spent mining on an exp will put you ahead enough such that losing it doesn't mean it's an auto-lose (though be careful for contains at your own ramp).

[Thulius]

Regarding Zealot/Stalker/Colossus balls: There is no "counter." I had a ton of trouble with protoss for a long time but really, it's just a solid composition. You beat it by either killing him before he gets there or having more stuff than him when he does. Roach/Hydra/Corruptor is probably ideal if your opponent gets up to 3+ colossi but there are so many more things that factor into the battle. Infestors are certainly not a bad choice and they'll be lifesavers if your opponent goes for something sneaky like DTs or phoenixes, but I wouldn't bother with neural parasite unless you've got a really good position for it.

In my opinion good zerg macro tends to look pretty sloppy compared to other races. You don't always want to be using every larva available and it's ok if your resources get a little high, because making units/workers blindly is more dangerous than making them later. As long as you're keeping up with larva injects you'll almost always be able to stall production long enough to at least scout the front without any major drawbacks.

[Misuicide]

Good Luck to any of us who are playing in the Newegg WANFEST tomorrow. I'm against some dude named brkk not sure how i'll do as i haven't had much play time due to work, but hopefully i don't get smashed too hard ^^/

[Julian]

Damn, I didn't realize that tournament was gonna be over a few days/week or two, pretty sure I wont be making any of the later ones, as if I could even make it that far. Dunno if I want to bother doing my match tomorrow or not

[Falaras]

Good Luck to any of us who are playing in the Newegg WANFEST tomorrow. I'm against some dude named brkk not sure how i'll do as i haven't had much play time due to work, but hopefully i don't get smashed too hard ^^/

I havent played SC2 in like a week because of Cata, thankfully the guy I'm playing according to http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/760902/1/XxBrOsxX/ is bronze so I think I won't have any trouble.

[Rehn]

General advice for good zerg macro? Other than constantly make drones and exp? I find that I always tech too much and then have shit when I'm attacked.

Keeping on top of inject larva was the biggest issue when I started out. If you're having trouble with it, that could be the biggest thing you can improve on to start. Keeping watchtowers claimed is good as well, since it will help you check on enemy movements. Ctrl + 4 for all my hatch/lair/hive buildings, and ctrl + 5 for all my queens and inject larva via mini-map. Took me a little to get used to it, but it made a difference for me over going to each individual base > selecting queen > inject larva.

Being on top of your opponent map-wise helps prevent being caught with your pants down. If they push out and you see it via overlord/watchtower, you can instantly switch from droning > more army production easily.

[Misuicide]

I havent played SC2 in like a week because of Cata, thankfully the guy I'm playing according to http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/760902/1/XxBrOsxX/ is bronze so I think I won't have any trouble.

how exactly did you find your guy, i looked all over for mine, he didn't show up

[Falaras]

I might have googled.

[Anakron]

I was matched up against a ~1700 Diamond Protoss. Dropped my first game but came back and won the next two. :D