I have returned: StarCraft II

[quannum]

Not the ladder, a ladder. A well run one, where everyone participates, and there are no external factors that would cause one player to fall ahead or behind another one. Ideally, it would be on a foundation of an ELO system and there would be little to no point inflation. It should find the better player in the same way a Bo3 finds the better player over a Bo1. The more games played, the more we have to judge the player on.

an ideal ladder with no external factors would be ideal? ok.

Yeah I get you. But they can keep double elim and still avoid a shitty Bo3 finals by simple making them Bo5s. Admittedly the loser bracket player will have had his first loss in a Bo3 while the upper bracket will have a Bo5 so not entirely fair, but I think I think its a lot more marginal than a lot of the other unfair parts of their tournament system they have structured in.

that's fine, i may or may not have my own ideas on making it better, i'm just saying the current format is fair to mma and mvp (all the players)

[geno]

an ideal ladder with no external factors would be ideal? ok.

lol. Even a moderately well run ladder would be better at predicting the better player overall than a tournament, assuming people are participating. Blizzard's ladder doesn't qualify because there is no real reward to participating, top players get better practice internally and can make more money from tournaments.

All I'm saying is that no tournament format is going to find the best player in the field 90+% of the time (or even a majority), and certainly not without sacrificing watch-ability. Tournaments are for the fans as much as they are for the players, particularly when real money starts getting involved. They shouldn't sacrifice a good viewing experience in the name of consistency and fairness when they can make some simple changes to their system and do a better job at both.

[Rehn]

Oh man, "photon cycles" is the perfect map when you're high and playing with friends. It's pretty much snake or worm or whatever that old old microsoft game was, except you're against 15 other people. This map is laugh inducing for reasons unknown to me... maybe it's because you seem to die for the strangest reasons or because someone is out to get you, but damn this shit is amusingly fun.

[Not Kuno]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but you can still watch other matches from the MLG stream instead of searching for Youtube vids.

http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/live/starcraft_2_red

Just fast forward to whatever time to find a match. Boxer/Rain mech wars starts at about 3:30:00, but the match itself comes in at around 3:10:00

You'll have to watch that 15-30 second ad at the start, but it won't pop up again at all during your fast forwarding/rewinding.

My hero, thanks a lot.

[Lhyet]

I've only just gotten into SC2. This was the first time I've watched a tournament for it (and any other game, as it happens) and I loved it.
Does anyone have any good sites that keep track of tournament dates and what's going on in the pro circuit?

[SubzeroDiabolos]

http://www.teamliquid.net/
http://teevox.com/

[Rehn]

http://www.teamliquid.net/

Premier SC2 site. There's a calendar on the right, and they always keep track of notable tournaments under the spotlight section. Definitely the site to bookmark if you want to follow SC2 related happenings. You'll see links to current streamers as well, so you can check out higher level play in first person.

http://www.youplayoff.com/category/45/StarCraft+II

I sometimes use this site as well. It usually updates tournament results on the right side panel. They tend to update the sections below with recent vids of games played in tournaments.

EDIT: damn, beaten.

[Blarg]

So with the advantage that MVP had going into the finals what would it have been if MVP had eliminated MMA 2-0 in an earlier series. MVP would start 2-0 so would MMA have to win a best of 5 series (basically go 3-0 right away) to eliminate MVP once and then win the best of 7 series for the second elimination?

[geno]

I think in the case of extended series they don't do a second elim? But I don't know, either sounds pretty shitty to me lol.

[Lhyet]

Thanks for the links, guys!
I'm downloading the client now and looking forward to getting into the game. Think I'll roll with Protoss first.

[quannum]

So with the advantage that MVP had going into the finals what would it have been if MVP had eliminated MMA 2-0 in an earlier series. MVP would start 2-0 so would MMA have to win a best of 5 series (basically go 3-0 right away) to eliminate MVP once and then win the best of 7 series for the second elimination?

mma would have to win a bo3 to tie the series at 1 bo3 loss a piece (single-elim'd), once its tied up, they can best of whatever they want for the grand final series. if they do another bo3, then they've really just done an extended bo7

[Eanae]

Someone come 4v4 nao

[Vandole]

wtb 1 person for sc2 need 4th

me, eeneigh, and slownomaa

[Vandole]

it's that time again! who want play sc2?

[Kuishen]

it's that time again! who want play sc2?

I do!

[Vandole]

oky get in bg chat on sc2

[Scizor]

Just curious but do you upload any of your matches on youtube?

[Rehn]

I have some replay from playing 4v4 with BG folks I can upload to a fileshare site.

[Vandole]

Just curious but do you upload any of your matches on youtube?

i dont cause i suck, but i technically could.

[Kuishen]

Oh god, then everybody would get to see the stupid shit I pulled with making only banelings in our last match tonight.

Banelings hard counter BCs, Mutas and Thors ya know. >_>