I have returned: StarCraft II

[Salodin]

First thing that came to mind when I read the description of the new toss flyer: FU Mutas.

Hope Capital Ship doesn't mean it's the new Mothership though..

Yeah...read that and thought "So the tables have turned Mr. Mutalisk...". And wth, update/fix motherships and then remove them from next expansion? Ok Blizzard...

I don't know how I feel about burrowed banelings...going to have to keep static defenses up now just to prevent baneling attacks...

[Eanae]

http://p.twimg.com/AcS9CN1CAAA3mn5.jpg

[Thunder]

Can that weapon also attack air? When I was reading about artosis putting a pylon in askjoshy's base and doing it I was thinking you could drop that spell on every building around your mineral line for muta harass. Should be able to drop a fair bit with 3 bases. Not sure if it's really that effective though since the pylon did 40 damage in the time it takes a full surround of SCVs to kill a pylon.

[Eanae]

Doubt it's worth using over chronoboost, especially if you have blink stalkers. No one uses mutas in zvp anyways.. :/

[Salodin]

I'm actually quite happy with that, chrono boost was one of those things that just wasn't that intuitive to use. Didn't really want to use it on only half your warpgates at a time, and you could chrono your upgrades/robo bay, but that wasn't exactly great either, especially since colossus are the glass cannons they are.

Although now I'm gonna assume that new replicator unit comes from the robotics bay, which will make me want to chrono that or a stargate more lol.

[Eanae]

New stargate units are expensive. 300/300

http://p.twimg.com/AcS1t1YCMAAB1BY.jpg

[Salodin]

Need a fleet beacon for that shit? What's the point when the only air unit you'd really want it for is mutalisks that are going to come out a lot sooner then that. Test it and tell us how strong it is against a single air unit at a time, and how strong it's ground attack is!

I feel like it's the same problem with colossus, having to make a high tier unit just to deal with units that are 1-2 tiers below it. And for that cost? ehhhhh.

[Thunder]

Doubt it's worth using over chronoboost, especially if you have blink stalkers. No one uses mutas in zvp anyways.. :/

yeah, idk - maybe extra damage against banshees to prevent them from camping on the outskirts of your base? Would also prevent people from leaving medivacs after a failed drop with 1hp outside of your base in a corner.

But that third nexus ability looks like recall. That's really OP even if it's 100 energy. So many protoss already don't give a shit about chrono and past 3 base even players like huk and MC have a total of 100 energy between their nexus. You're pretty much immune to zerg counters - and can be VERY aggressive with shit like blink stalkers and collosus walking into main bases/expansions and recalling as soon as the army comes.

^because it's an AoE attack it can deal with mass viking just like how uber late game TvT is BC/viking/raven vs viking/thor/raven where the guy who first teched to mass air took the viking advantage and is piling on BCs and the meching guy gets thors to zone the clumps of viking because while the damage is weak it gets out of control when you're hitting 10 targets. It doesn't even say light air units in the picture - is that a mistake on blizzard's part or a mistake on whoever leaked the original photos saying that it's AoE with bonus damage vs light?

[Sonomaa]

is the thor and marauder removal confirmed? cause Id be kinda pissed without my custom skin that I got with my special edition

[Eanae]

No confirmed reports yet.

Shredder is 150/150 and comes from factory.

[The Blackrose]

(Per Eanae's Tempest cost. Tapa didn't refresh)

Not surprised, considering it's a Protoss cap ship.

Carriers really needed to be retired. When Dong pulled them out against Idra at Orlando, I was thinking "What in the fuck are you smoking?" the entire time.

[Serra]

The defensive ability for toss should put an end to 6pooling against toss since it only requires a gateway and the same energy as chrono boost.

[Eanae]

New protoss replicator can copy workers and build with them.

[Serra]

Also, depending on how strong it is against air, the tempest might still be worth it against mutas -- just think about how much thors rape mutas.

[Eanae]

Third nexus spell is infact recall.

[Gredival]

It's better than on a Mothership but that reduces the utility to escaping a bad engagement and/or defending a drop harass.

Tempest v. Carrier is eh. Carriers were bad in SC2, but outright removal wasn't necessarily the only option. My guess based on the descriptions is that the purpose might be to make Toss capital less vulnerable to Vikings by giving it air splash but more vulnerable to ground (since it's a single target ground attack). This would make the Terran air defense more reliant on mech (i.e. that new Goliath unit) like in BW.

[Sonomaa]

carrier shouldnt have been removed, it should have been buffed back to its SC1 power

[Salodin]

Carrier is like the main toss unit I think of when I think of SC1. I'm kinda sad to see it go =(.

What tech do you need to use recall from your nexus? Also damn glad it's there...toss deathball was only good as a ball, and it was damned hard to attack with out having the smallest of counter attacks at your base rip shit up.

From the TL forums:
Mass recall on Nexus in HOTS!!!!!
Burrowed banelings can MOVE. Possibly an upgrade!
Carriers Are Gone!
No more Overseer.
Hydra speed increased.
Viper will permanently grant detection for energy. Lair tech. Grant detection is the cheapest spell.
Swarm lord spits out broodling-looking things that have 16 attack damage and .87 attack speed.
New Nexus Spell Picture Added!
Mothership Gone to!

[Salodin]

Ok yeah wth...viper can make any unit a detection unit. Fuck that noise...good bye dark templars, we hardly knew ye...

And that Viper pull-in ability, it works on massive units. Fuck this race I don't even now wtf any more...

[GRT]

Rob Pardo just leaked "multi-platform..." There you go D3 on PS3/360