I have returned: StarCraft II

[Not Kuno]

At least zerg isn't losing any units, I guess?)

Overseer. We'll have to see how good Viper is to make up for it. No changling anymore will take some getting used to as well.

[stewie]

No, why would they give zerg units for the zerg expansion?

(I like how terran gets 3 units, protoss gets 3 units, and zerg gets... 2. At least zerg isn't losing any units, I guess?)

Zerg is losing overseer(lol). Although an evo is going to be required now by 6mins at the latest since no detection until spire.

[Not Kuno]

You laugh but needing spire for detection is going to be gay as hell. That shit builds so fucking slow hnnnnng.

[Julian]

You laugh but needing spire for detection is going to be gay as hell. That shit builds so fucking slow hnnnnng.

Uh, yeah, removing overseer is lame -_- especially requiring spire for detection. They should just make overlord detect, or give a lair research for it, but meh. I also assume that the detecting ability isn't going to be permanent, and will wear off, so you'll have to reapply it. (Maybe not? idk) I also assume vipers wont have consume or anything.

Also, I see baneling move while burrowed as a nerf, tbh. I personally already use baneling land mines, this is just going to make terrans stop being retarded and actually make ravens. Although I guess the new lurker w/e it's called is already going to force that. I guess if the baneling burrow move is hive, there's still a timing where baneling land mines can be effective.

I don't know, this is all speculation and stuff, who the fuck knows what's gonna happen D:

[Bweigelt]

Uh, yeah, removing overseer is lame -_- especially requiring spire for detection. They should just make overlord detect, or give a lair research for it, but meh. I also assume that the detecting ability isn't going to be permanent, and will wear off, so you'll have to reapply it. (Maybe not? idk) I also assume vipers wont have consume or anything.

Also, I see baneling move while burrowed as a nerf, tbh. I personally already use baneling land mines, this is just going to make terrans stop being retarded and actually make ravens. Although I guess the new lurker w/e it's called is already going to force that. I guess if the baneling burrow move is hive, there's still a timing where baneling land mines can be effective.

I don't know, this is all speculation and stuff, who the fuck knows what's gonna happen D:

The Viper spell gives permanent detection so you don't have to reapply it and it's the cheapest spell. Also needing spire isn't that big of a deal, as you should have spire in time to deal with DT's and spores are still in the same spot for banshee's.

Banelings moving also isn't a nerf as forcing a Terran to get ravens is already a huge win for zerg and burrowed banelings will still be far more dangerous than they are now even with Raven's.

[Vandole]

yeah, it's definately going to raise some huge backdoor wins for bronzies

[stewie]

The Viper spell gives permanent detection so you don't have to reapply it and it's the cheapest spell. Also needing spire isn't that big of a deal, as you should have spire in time to deal with DT's and spores are still in the same spot for banshee's.

Banelings moving also isn't a nerf as forcing a Terran to get ravens is already a huge win for zerg and burrowed banelings will still be far more dangerous than they are now even with Raven's.

Not really, Lair is barely ready in time for DTs vs a DT expand, with an other 100 seconds without an evo you'll die to it. Also, ravens are amazing lategame vs BL/Infestor, having one to detect and PDD won't really be a big hit.

[Eanae]

Burrowed charge from ultralisk looks really cool. >.<

[Bweigelt]

Not really, Lair is barely ready in time for DTs vs a DT expand, with an other 100 seconds without an evo you'll die to it. Also, ravens are amazing lategame vs BL/Infestor, having one to detect and PDD won't really be a big hit.

So get an evo if it's too soon then? It's not like getting an Evo chamber is suddenly bad and against a DT opening starting the upgrades with it early will put you way ahead if you hold it off.

How are Raven's amazing late game against BL/Infestor? Every Raven you get means less Ghosts and less Vikings and both are more effective against BL/Infestor army's. It's not like one raven is going to suddenly make moving burrowed banelings useless anyway.

Burrowed charge from ultralisk looks really cool. >.<

Yeah they might actually be useful now that they can get to Tanks quicker, won't have to plow through the infantry first.

[Salodin]

Im on phone, can some one link to the trailer?

[Kuishen]

Not quite sure how I feel about having to get a Lair and then a spire just for fucking detection... Makes DT and cloak banshee rushes that much more viable.

EDIT: God dammit, missed an entire page of posts.

[Salodin]

Idk how its more viable when the current answer is make a spore crawler.

[Julian]

You can still defend with spores, but you can't really move out until you get spire tech out, and you probably wont be able to take a 3rd at all until then.

[Kuishen]

You can still defend with spores, but you can't really move out until you get spire tech out, and you probably wont be able to take a 3rd at all until then.

This.

I mean I don't mind the forcing of getting an evo early because it just gives you an edge on early upgrades but seriously worried that I will be unable to take any bases other than my natural until I get spire up, which is kinda bullshit.

Very interested to see how burrowed moving banelings will affect ZvZ though.

EDIT: Not to mention the fact that with new maps being designed like fucking Searing Crater, it's kind of a low blow.

[Salodin]

So they rush dts, have no real tech or infrastructure other then that, and as a zerg im supposed to be worried?

Let them rush dts, ill shut it down like normal and now hes behind while i either expand again or get free spire up with little to no contest to put me ahead in the match. Still not seeing a problem =(.

[Kuishen]

So they rush dts, have no real tech or infrastructure other then that, and as a zerg im supposed to be worried?

Let them rush dts, ill shut it down like normal and now hes behind while i either expand again or get free spire up with little to no contest to put me ahead in the match. Still not seeing a problem =(.

How are you going to take another expand without the spire? DTs and banshees will just snipe it before it even finishes. That's kind of the point Julian made and I agree with him.

Also again bringing up the fucking shitty map design. Seriously can't get over how fucking bad Searing Crater is.

[quannum]

The Viper is lair tech but does not require a spire. This is the same requirements as the overseer; costs 50/150 more than an overseer.

edit: not properly sourced ... something about a grain of salt

[LinktheDeme]

so i'm confused why is protoss getting another anti air light unit when protoss already has the phoenix for mutas?

[Rehn]

Did they specify if the viper would be made directly from a hatchery/lair once lair is reached? Kinda weird for a flying unit to be built without a spire being needed.

[Salodin]

but you guys are acting like dts got buffed, they didnt. And by the looks of it zerg should be getting a spire more often then not, so its already on the way as dts are coming or there. Its not a big deal at all.