I have returned: StarCraft II

[Blarg]

Secondly, surrounding a collosus with a bunch of scv mean you have a 900mineral units that is still pretty damn weak to splash damages.

Obviously you would just get a second layer of scv's to repair the first layer when they get damaged so they can keep repairing the colossus.

[Julian]

Was the way Viper 'Dark Swarm' works ever disucssed anywhere? I'm interested in how large the cloud is and whether it blocks all the ranged damage into the cloud, also how much energy it costs.

All I remember is that it's a bit reversed: you cast it on top of the enemy, and it nerfs ranged attacks from within that cloud. Don't remember the specifics though, and am also interested in them

[Thunder]

Can you repair protoss's shield, or only the base hp? Because once the collosus lose its shield, its most likely going to be down in a matter of second, scv or not. If repairing them was viable, you would see that strats a lot more in 2v2 and above when protoss play with terran, but you don't.


Secondly, surrounding a collosus with a bunch of scv mean you have a 900mineral units that is still pretty damn weak to splash damages. It's also precious mineral that you're not collecting while they heal. Obviously, if the planets align and you happen to be fighting with a dying collosus near a CC, then yeah, more power to you, but it's a lot of trouble you're giving yourself for something that take about 8 min to setup, cost a ton, probably wont save your collosus against viking/corruptor, and could easily have been replaced by 2 more collosus (a much more powerful alternative for the same price)

-It can only repair the base hp, which is 200. Thor have 400, by comparison.
-It's -900 minerals? You're only taking the SCVs on the push, and I'm talking sending <10 because you wont be able to surround a full collosus, and you only want to be repairing one. Talking <450 minerals for the 1 minute it takes to push.
-It doesn't cost 8min to set up if you already have the SCVs mining because getting an orbital is worth it.
-The collosus wont fall because they wont, or shouldn't, have more than 6 vikings. If they do then GG to your ground army.


But I've come up with some other reasons why it wouldn't be worth it that haven't been brought up yet: SCV repair rate/cost is actually calculable and it's pretty much hp of unit/time it takes to build. That sucks for collosus because it has low hp(200) and high build time(75).

With collosus having 1 armor upgrade and vikings having 0 weapons, I calculated 6 vikings take ~2.8 seconds to kill a collosus. With 6 SCVs it's 3.8 seconds, with 9 it's 4.8 seconds, etc etc. This is purely by DPS and not by volleys - but I figure it should be accurate enough to show that it's a pretty meager benefit when Thors literally get repaired twice as quickly.

Also, the first SCV you replicate costs 4 food as well. So this orbital idea is getting bogged down further and further it seems

[Kaylia]

Obviously you would just get a second layer of scv's to repair the first layer when they get damaged so they can keep repairing the colossus.

I wasnt thinking enough outside the box. Seem perfect.

[Kaylia]

All I remember is that it's a bit reversed: you cast it on top of the enemy, and it nerfs ranged attacks from within that cloud. Don't remember the specifics though, and am also interested in them

Any ground unit inside the cloud was imune to range attack (not melee/splash). Its main purpose was to make your zergling invincible against most unit since there wasnt that many melee (firebat, zealot, splash dmg from tank/reaver)

[Thunder]

All I remember is that it's a bit reversed: you cast it on top of the enemy, and it nerfs ranged attacks from within that cloud. Don't remember the specifics though, and am also interested in them

It makes all ranged attacks have range 1(ie, melee range)

[Maguspk]

Wow that is pretty lame, it better be hella cheap energy cost.

[Salodin]

What? Siege tanks with 1 range kinda meh to you?

[Julian]

Any ground unit inside the cloud was imune to range attack (not melee/splash). Its main purpose was to make your zergling invincible against most unit since there wasnt that many melee (firebat, zealot, splash dmg from tank/reaver)

I meant it's reversed compared to dark swarm from sc1.

[Lhyet]

Season 4 has started! Any promotions/demotions for you guys?

I'm going to do my 1v1 match (in which I should get a promotion to Silver) later when I've got more time to concentrate because I just know I'll get a Zerg opponent and that's my worst matchup.

[Raen Ryong]

I only just started semi playing again after a long break. My micro is what has taken the biggest hit... oddly enough, my macro pretty much recovered after a couple of games to warm back up. I've always been a macro orientated player however...

[Julian]

bleh season 4... off to do my placement matches again

what's the point of a new season if they didn't even introduce any new maps?

[Julian]

for some reason it says i posted last on this thread, but that post isn't showing up <_<

masters 3v3 :D again, lol

edit: and now the new page shows up..

edit2: and they DID change the map pool! metalopolis is back! and the shitty new-old maps are gone! fuck off typhon peaks! antigua and nerazim crypts(meh) are still there.

[Julian]

omg, I just beat a protoss by going muta ling XD mostly mutas, though. I scouted a 2gate robo expand, so I figured quick colossus, which is exactly what he did <_<

that felt soooo good :D

[Deejay]

So I'm starting to get a better handle on Protoss unites. The only thing I'm having trouble with is countering Zerg. There's so fucking many of them, lol

[Salodin]

wtf season 4 already...i wish theyd stop this every 2 month shit it's quite annoying -_-.

[Not Kuno]

I love SC2 when we get a new season. Today I got cannon rushed, dt rushed, marine spam, and in one game I had an ally kill all his workers, lift his base off to the middle of nowhere, and leave the game.

[Salodin]

So I'm starting to get a better handle on Protoss unites. The only thing I'm having trouble with is countering Zerg. There's so fucking many of them, lol

use more zealots. it might be hard to notice, but zealots rip the shit out of zerglings, and immortals will ruin roach armies every time. Other then that, just learn what counters what.

[Julian]

Or just make a death ball. Some zealots, stalkers, sentries, and colossus. If they went for heavy muta, throw in a few archons. If they went for heavy roaches, immortals can help, but colossus are generally all around better.

[Serra]

2 new 2v2 maps, 1 new 3v3 map, and no new 4v4 maps, right?