I have returned: StarCraft II

[Lhyet]

Mix in more marines and blanket emp the whole P army, it almost requires stutter step micro though unless you have a huge army advantage.

This. If you can find a way to use Ghosts and EMP in your league then you're going to rack up a lot of wins easily. It's so very rare to find a Terran using EMP in the lower leagues that no Protoss will be prepared for the EMP because dealing with it requires splitting the army, but at that level they all just deathball which is very EMP friendly.

Using the ghosts effectively will take some getting used to, but considering you'll start finding more and more High Templar in Protoss army compositions, it's going to serve you well to start learning to use them early.

Ps. Congrats on Silver! Work on your build orders and never stop making SCVs and it's an easy road to Gold.

[Misuicide]

felt good to play SC on my PC instead of my laptop, so much better, plus ultra graphics was nice instead of low, lol. Gotta drive back to GA on weds though . Atleast i'm bringing my PC with me!

[Raen Ryong]

yea i engaged him on my terms (saw him gathering outside my expo so i stimed and went but still got slaughtered. Aslo anyone know where i can find a list of opening builds? I do scout at the start of matches but not really sure what things mean like if a protoss goes gateway > forge or gateway > cyber not rly sure what those mean XD same for zerg

From a Protoss's perspective:

If you scout their base and you don't see a Pylon, scout for proxy immediately.

If you see a Forge first - is the Forge inside their base? If yes, expect cannon rush. If no, most likely Forge Fast Expand but possible Cannon Rush integration/faked Forge Fast Expand. Either way, their potential for early aggression is cut dramatically.

Gateway => Gateway = Zealot heavy incoming. Gateway => Cybernetics is standard. You then want to see how many Gateways they get in total, as well as checking Gases. One gas + 4 gates is a 4gate (shockingly enough).

One gate expand is possible. If he adds another gate and then starts chronoing a load of forces out of it, it could very well be a 4gate that you can't scout as easily (2 gate + chrono + then add 2 gates brings out units earlier than a 4gate and denies scouting after the first Stalker). 3 gateways could lead into 3gate robo. Basically, less gateways/more gases = tech/economy build. Opposite = aggression build, in very simple terms (and there are many builds inbetween these extremes).

[Aylee]

actually i've been using ghost my last few matches lol. I just lost one match though to another zelot/stalker push at about 15 min (didnt have nearly enough tropes and the zelots just rip threw my shit XD. When should i start to get some ghost out? Should i get cloaking first? I like to normally do 2 rax + starport and push with about 4 murders 6 marines, 2 medvacs, after that push i usually try to throw down 2-3 more rax and expand to my natural. I fail at TvT and kinda iffy on zerg depends if they fast expand or not. Also are ghost worth anything outside of TvP?

[stewie]

Ghosts are the best unit to deal with lategame broodlord/infestor comp from zerg, snipe is ridiculous. Doing a 2rax expo(12rax 14gas reactor on first get second rax tech lab on it+concussive, pressure with ~8-10 marines and 2 marauders) and expanding behind that is better than a 2rax+starport expo, you'll get ahead economically more often. Sounds like the P did a 6-8gate, normally you need 3-4 bunkers to hold it if you scout that. Typically unless you're going for some type of ghost timing push, you'll get ghosts around the time you take your third and add the 5th and 6th gas geysers.

[Lhyet]

Not sure about the when exactly (I play Protoss so I don't know Terran timings) but if the game is going over 15 mins then they should be on their way. Don't worry about rushing the cloaking because as long as you hide them in your bio ball it'll be pretty difficult for the 'toss to hit them with Feedback at your level.

Ghosts are very good against Zerg. For one they're excellent if the Zerg goes for Infestors because an EMPd Infestor is wasted minerals/gas, and in the late game they're great for taking out masses of Brood Lords. Use Cloak and then have a nice sized amount of Ghosts hit them with Snipe and they fall quickly.
As for 'if they fast expand or not' they will be fast expanding most of the time now you're making your way into Silver. Even if they do go Pool first it still won't be for a one base game unless they're trying a Baneling bust or something cheesy.

[Gredival]

Hype it up.

[Salodin]

Sweet, another korean to take the starlight from the na and eu players.

[Gredival]

I don't know, I think HuK and IdrA are equally successful with PuMa, if not more so, and the addition of PuMa hasn't diminished the spotlight on them.

[Maguspk]

Sweet, another korean to take the starlight from the na and eu players.

Assuming sarcasm, you can't hate people for being more dedicated and skilled at a game, on average. If people outside Korea want to be recognized they just have to work that much harder.

[geno]

Yeah, if anything the NA and EU players are getting the disproportionate amount of starlight considering their relative skill compared to top koreans. Not that that is a bad thing overall, but you have to least have some respect for the korean players.

[Gryffes]

The "name" NA/EU players would barely make the grade in korea, it's fucking noskill all talk westerners robbing the limelight, not the other way round.

Mercy Spots in the GSL don't even count, there are a handful of legit players outside of korea, not even 3 per continent really.

[Aylee]

btw what are the supply depots at the bottom of ramps that i always see during mlg replays and stuff?

[Gryffes]

btw what are the supply depots at the bottom of ramps that i always see during mlg replays and stuff?

They are there to stop triple bunker cheese at the bottom of a ramp because it's boooooooooooooooolsheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

[stewie]

btw what are the supply depots at the bottom of ramps that i always see during mlg replays and stuff?

They're there to prevent bunker and cannon rushes from at the ramp walling off from a Z's hatchery.

[Aylee]

so right now every game i play against each race goes the same way except TvT. If i fight protoss they just 4 gate, if i fight zerg they just bailing bust into muta. What are the best two ways to counter these?

[Julian]

scout, bunkers, repair

4gate and baneling bust (depending) are usually pretty all in-ish, or well, not really all in since they can follow up, but if you can survive it without taking much damage, you should come out ahead.

[Salodin]

against toss, get better at kiting with maurader slow. Also, bunkers.

[Aylee]

my real problem with the two is that it kinda forces me to turtle espically against zerg because i dont have stim that early in the game and cant get away from the damn balings worth shit

[Salodin]

Thats why you gotta pressure them. Against zerg, don't let him just build up a bunch of lings and rape your face, go outside his base and force him to build spines, or build a shitton of lings fast to deal with you (which makes him have less drones, so less econ, so fewer banes later on). Generally speaking, unless he just outplays you, your wall in can protect from any counteract while you get a second cc up or w/e else youre trying to do.