I have returned: StarCraft II

[Kaylia]

Against someone who just masses MM/MMM, go Banelings. 10 or so backed up by lings will wipe out his whole ball.

If it's a mixture of Marine, marauder, helion, it really doesnt work that well, since it takes like 5 baneling per marauder and microing doesnt really work when they are as a pack. Your opponent wont always be nice enough to fight yourself in a wide open space

I think its kinda stupid how strong marauder are atm against nearly everything. The few counter require you to do something risky (tech really fast) or pull some awesome microing.

Ya if they are just going heavy marines/marauders you should just go lings/banelings, you should be able to bust down their front door really early and once you're in those marauders/marines will die to lings and you can mess up their econ.

I always try to win in the first 7-8 min against terran when random give me zerg, otherwise I'm fucked if the other guy is remotely good.

[GRT]

zerg gives me the most trouble as terran, the doorbust really forces me to turtle (with double rax or a bunch of bunkers at the front door no less) and lose early map control, and from then on it's just a contest of better econ and most maps terran don't really have an advantage in that department

and my new id is GRT.beta

[Flarega]

If it's a mixture of Marine, marauder, helion, it really doesnt work that well, since it takes like 5 baneling per marauder and microing doesnt really work when they are as a pack. Your opponent wont always be nice enough to fight yourself in a wide open space

I think its kinda stupid how strong marauder are atm against nearly everything. The few counter require you to do something risky (tech really fast) or pull some awesome microing.




I always try to win in the first 7-8 min against terran when random give me zerg, otherwise I'm fucked if the other guy is remotely good.

The key is to never let them get a large ball by harassing, namely with bane + speedling. A good sized MMM ball from a turtled terran will roll just about anything zerg can put out on the ground, unless you have good fungal growth micro. Too bad marauders are tier 1 and festors are T2.

[Maguspk]

Almost made it into Platinum as Zerg, but I got paired up with a high rank Platinum fag playing Terran. He basically rushed me with 2 reapers, which since my speed wasn't upgraded yet he basically walked all over me. Then he proceeded to drop into my base with hellions and destroy most of my drones fortunate for him I was going 2 hatch mutas and so his hellions had like no opposition since they destroy lings. When I finally got mutas he had killed like all of my drones. Fucking Terran is so annoying, they have so many different builds and ways to go about the game. I should have gotten spine crawlers I guess, that's the only solution I can think of even playing the match over in my head.

[GRT]

for some reason a lot of high level zerg players make two walls of spine crawlers and just mine, i don't get how that's either effective or fun

btw downloading the mac client now :D

[Kaylia]

Why is it easier to win in gold league than silver league? In silver league, everyone just mass unit and rape the fuck out of me. In gold league, people actually try thing, and I can usually counter them using various strats.

[Deftscythe]

About HDH:

Spoiler: show

There's a lot of talk about Idra maphacking for game 3 because of that Stargate scout. What do people think?

[GRT]

seemed like a routine proxy scout to me, he just got lucky

[Rivero]

seemed like a routine proxy scout to me, he just got lucky

I was thinking luck but it was pretty amazing to get that scout right before the second Void Ray because if I recall correctly the game would have totally turned over to Orb's favor if he got the second one out in time.

[Maguspk]

[Synbios]

About HDH:

Spoiler: show

There's a lot of talk about Idra maphacking for game 3 because of that Stargate scout. What do people think?

Is there a vod or commentary video of it? Are you sure it's not Orb emorage nerding it up?

As a terran I think the reaper rush is wayyyy to op. I have yet to play a single game where someone can beat me when I go with a reaper rush.

[Maguspk]

Here is the game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=782A2cYH1Kg

Orb is easily the most well mannered player, there is not even a chance it was 'emorage', Idra is the kid who 'emorages' out of games, he even did it game 2 of the matchup with Orb. Orb also isn't even the one who suggested that Idra may have map hacked, he gives him the benefit of the doubt in that he probably expected it and just had the zerglings looking for cheese. Orb is a great player, he even managed to beat Idra straight up in game 2, Idra is the kid who plays SC2 full-time and thinks he's god's gift to SC2, so seeing him lose in a straight match is awesome, yet he still BM'd and rage quit. Orb earns major points in my book just from the way he handled himself during the post-game interview. Watch to the end of the part two of the 3rd game I posted above and you'll hear the interview.

[Deftscythe]

Yeah, none of the accusations were coming from Orb himself, just people in the TL thread. I'm only bronze so idk if that kind of scouting is routine in plat. I don't recall seeing it in a lot of replays but I really only watch ones that get on youtube and that's not something a commentator would necessarily bother showing.

I thought it was hilarious how Idra rage-quit game 2 then blamed the loss on his lag in the TL thread. His connection was bad just long enough to cost him game 2, but fine in games 1 and 3? lol

[Synbios]

Orb is easily the most well mannered player, there is not even a chance it was 'emorage', Idra is the kid who 'emorages' out of games, he even did it game 2 of the matchup with Orb. Orb also isn't even the one who suggested that Idra may have map hacked, he gives him the benefit of the doubt in that he probably expected it and just had the zerglings looking for cheese. Orb is a great player, he even managed to beat Idra straight up in game 2, Idra is the kid who plays SC2 full-time and thinks he's god's gift to SC2, so seeing him lose in a straight match is awesome, yet he still BM'd and rage quit. Orb earns major points in my book just from the way he handled himself during the post-game interview. Watch to the end of the part two of the 3rd game I posted above and you'll hear the interview.

You ever watch Orb's live streams? I'm not saying Idra is some angel, but when ever Orb streams he always seems to lose because "god this fucking game is broken" or "SC2 is just so horrible of a game" or something similar to that effect.

Oh and I can't watch that video right now but I will check it out in about 45m or so.

[Beckwin]

that was beyond fortunate for Idra to have seen that stargate, otherwise he'd have been voidray'd into oblivion. Orb was fun to watch and I liked how he trashed idra in the second game. his early game protoss is really good.

[Synbios]

That seems very suspect. Unless Orb has been trying this build and Idra has seen it before, I find it extremely hard to believe that Idra would know exactly where to scout.

[Rivero]

That seems very suspect. Unless Orb has been trying this build and Idra has seen it before, I find it extremely hard to believe that Idra would know exactly where to scout.

He did plan a route if I remember correctly. It had like three checkpoints but I have to admit that spot was really nice and I don't think I would have dreamed to check right near the statue in the far-off side of the isolated area.

[Maguspk]

Idra watched Orbs stream and Orb was practicing that strat on the stream.

[GRT]

when are round of 8 games gonna be played/streamed? anyone know?

[Rivero]

when are round of 8 games gonna be played/streamed? anyone know?

No clue but I'd also like to know if anyone happens to find out the dates.