I have returned: StarCraft II

[Syntex]

Now if instead of the reaper he went with marine rush, would he have won? Or was the stalker in response to a scout, seeing fast gas and tech lab?

Gate > Core > more gates is standard BO vs terran.

If you went rines with reactors you "might" be able to overpower me but with some forcefields and stalkers its a gamble, and since he is on offense he needs a bigger force to account for what I'm making while he is "on the way" over.

FF stall will let me build up my force to break out, and I could always put a cannon or 3 at my door which is hard for marines to kill.

In either case it will slow your build down to go mass marines and push, usually you might have 5-8 rines by time you could have got that 1 reaper and 2 stakers with 2 zeals prolly could have pushed that back, mix in a sentry for good measure.

It is based on scouting but the gate/core/gas tech build with a wall off is hard to stop.

I just played against a zerg who threw 30 lings at me and couldn't get past the zealot/FF combo and by time the zeal was dead another was in his place with 2 sentries killing things.

Right now Bnet is not registering wins so no point to 2v2, I went like 4-1 and my position hasn't moved.

[Salodin]

I'm on your vent eatting breakfast, get on if you got time before work.

[Bweigelt]

Yeah, baneling/ling is what scare me the most. Against zerg, its a gamble pretty much, and I'm not sure how well it would work. Against terran and protoss, it seem to be a solid build that can carry you to the mid-game.

I've done it against mass stalker twice and won easily both time. I'm not sure how well a professional player would do in that situation, but on bnet, it doesnt seem to be a strong counter. Once you get 6-8 reapers, the protoss cant possibly have a huge army stalker army, and unless he is perfectly ready for it (or counter exactly at the same time you're attacking), he probably won't do much damage.

About being scouted, Terran does have a strong advantage early game. The worker shouldnt be able to see it (too early to figure out your plan, or entrance blocked), and air units come too late in most normal built. It's relatively easy to keep them away from the satelite scan as well. And again, that's for the surprise cheese, you still have your units if you get unlucky with the scouting.

I think this is very strong against toss, but against Terran anyone doing the Gretorp build is going to have a banshee out before you have enough reapers to do serious damage. Mind you even in Diamond I seem to be one of the only people doing that build, and against any other build those reapers are going to rape. Reapers overall are under used in my opinion. They can be incredibly strong as support units when facing a lot of light units. They can also be awesome later in the game for snipping expansions.

[Syntex]

I think this is very strong against toss, but against Terran anyone doing the Gretorp build is going to have a banshee out before you have enough reapers to do serious damage. Mind you even in Diamond I seem to be one of the only people doing that build, and against any other build those reapers are going to rape. Reapers overall are under used in my opinion. They can be incredibly strong as support units when facing a lot of light units. They can also be awesome later in the game for snipping expansions.

Elaborate on this build you speak of.

I probably could get to plat league at least but I am not playing if 1 of 5 games is actually recorded. I think battle.net is dead for the rest of this beta.

Also do you play random or terran? I am interested in your build or maybe a replay if you want to toss me a link.

[Kaylia]

I think this is very strong against toss, but against Terran anyone doing the Gretorp build is going to have a banshee out before you have enough reapers to do serious damage. Mind you even in Diamond I seem to be one of the only people doing that build, and against any other build those reapers are going to rape. Reapers overall are under used in my opinion. They can be incredibly strong as support units when facing a lot of light units. They can also be awesome later in the game for snipping expansions.

I dont know Gretorp build, but I'm assuming you're still scouting while building these reapers. If he is going fast banshee, you can probably get your counter ready in time.

[Anakron]

Hi guys, please add omnivorzero at hotmail. I was a mid-gold player before they introduced diamond, and I'm up for anything from 1v1s to 4v4s.

EDIT: yesssss

Today on the Battle.net forums Blizzard poster Nethaera announced that the Star Craft II Beta would not be closing on May 31st.

In order to "prepare for the final phase of beta testing," they would extend the current beta test in all regions until Monday, June 7. At that point the beta will go offline for "several weeks," for hardware and software configuration.

Blizzard also reports that the beta will return for a couple of weeks before the game's launch on July 27th.

[Bweigelt]

Well the Gretorp build is as follows:

10 Supply
11 Gas
12 Rax (have to delay you're 13th SCV for this)
Factory when Rax finishes
18ish OC
Starport as soon as Factory finishes
pre-build techlab on Factory when starport is halfway done
Banshee as soon as the port finishes
Expand as soon as you're banshee moves out

Basically the Banshee comes out before he can possibly have enough units to defend it unless he pumped constant marines. If he managed to scout and has turrets up then you are ahead anyway because of the minerals he had to waste to get them up. If he is also going for a fast starport (unless he did the Gretorp build your banshee is out way faster) than you can take the you're marines (should have five if you had constant production) with you're banshee and win right there. From there you can transition into Marine/Tank/Viking and you will have a massive advantage going into mid game. I've yet to lose with this build, but I imagine a double rax proxy would mess it up pretty good if it wasn't scouted. Judging by the fact that I have 4-5 Marines out when my Banshee pops with constant marine production I'd say the most Reapers he could have out by then with anything other than a 6 rax would be 3.

I'm at work right now but I'll toss up a few replays once I get home. For a better explantion of the guild check out this link and watch the TvT episode:
Gretorp awesomeness

[Gryffes]

Any european beta users up for team games?

[Rivero]

ALL GAMES ARE UP!!!! And I spoiler'd them accordingly so you wont know till the bottem of the spoiler ect. Its a spoiler train but that's the best way to do it I think.

LINK: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showp...postcount=1101

Don't click if you didn't watch all the videos above...

Spoiler: show

I didn't think NonY had what it took to really turn this around but is use of templar's in game 6 along with VR's in games 5 and 7 really made a difference as TLO was caught off guard overall. I think the other games he lost when he was going phoenix harass could have been won if he popped out another stargate and when VR's rather then getting 8+ phoenix's

I am glad he won though! GO PROTOSS!!

Also one thing I did notice, and this pisses me off a lot, is that most, if not all of these games it seems that with next to no scouting/late scout that they tech anyways and if someone got a concentrated push of zealots/marines/zerglings that the other would fall doing the tech/FE in these games and its the main reason I am reluctant to do these strategies myself as the pub games I play 4 gate zealot push, 7 pool, and triple rax/walloff are common. I know you can scout and see 3 rax you know how to counter but at the same time if its something like Lost Temple where I get unlucky with the scouting before the wall off I am not sure what they are going and it throws me off having to wait for an observer when others have scan and overlords to scout a little faster.

Kind of sad Nony had to use Void Rays in one game, I expected a better strategy from him and honestly TLO should have won, he was being way more creative. I admit both players kept trying to push their typical strategies (NonY:mass phoenix) and TLO (speedlings) but that last game was such a disappointment. I feel like anyone who uses VR's doesn't deserve a victory since they're just overpowered as fuck.

[Bweigelt]

Kind of sad Nony had to use Void Rays in one game, I expected a better strategy from him and honestly TLO should have won, he was being way more creative. I admit both players kept trying to push their typical strategies (NonY:mass phoenix) and TLO (speedlings) but that last game was such a disappointment. I feel like anyone who uses VR's doesn't deserve a victory since they're just overpowered as fuck.

While it was somewhat dissapointing the game ended with voidrays TLO did not deserve to win that game. He played horribly. He went for an early expansion build but didn't early expand and tried to make a push instead which set him way behind, to try and catch up he used all his energy on mules and didn't scan Nony, or he would have seen the voidrays coming. I'm not really a fan of his early expand build. There are other builds that have a much easier time holding off pressure and you get your expansion up almost as early.

[Syntex]

Is this strictly a TvT build or a vs anything build? I find that after adopting NonY's Protoss tech build that your rush wouldn't be as effective as you make it out to be because I go straight observer with a few stalkers against Terran.

After it would fail I pump from 2-3 gates and easily establish board control with a Protoss ground army.

I may not be the average player but I account for reaper and banshee cheese because it's quite common these days but I could see how it would work on some inexperienced players. Also depends on the map too.

Edit: I am going to have to disagree. TLO losing was because he fucking blew in the last game which is why he lost. VR is fine as long as it doesn't carry you and that's not what carries nony it's his skill. The problem is Protoss's air units are restrictive since pheonix is weak to anything with armor your only other choice of a flyer is a VR as no one will build carriers req more tech costing more and being worse, that's a balance issue we are testing for because it's beta and we need to fix these things before release.

As far as a fast CC I still think it's the best play for a Terran because it actually only costs 300 minerals because it saves you from building a supply depot and then the minerals you get back over the next few minutes with mules it actually turns into an economic advantage in the short and long run unless the game ends in the next 3 minutes. The other major advantage is you have a very tough wall with a 1000hp rax and a 1500cc insted of supply depos so a mass toss offensive or baneling won't be able to push through where they might if the walls were depots and then it let's you just move it when your ready.

That's my 2 cents on the matter.

[Bweigelt]

Is this strictly a TvT build or a vs anything build? I find that after adopting NonY's Protoss tech build that your rush wouldn't be as effective as you make it out to be because I go straight observer with a few stalkers against Terran.

After it would fail I pump from 2-3 gates and easily establish board control with a Protoss ground army.

I may not be the average player but I account for reaper and banshee cheese because it's quite common these days but I could see how it would work on some inexperienced players. Also depends on the map too.

Oh sorry, yeah this is a TvT build, although I've thought about trying to adapt a similar build against Zerg. TvP I use Gretorp's Marine Ghost opening as a base. You can find that build at the link I provided, it's the first episode.

[Rivero]

Custom Map Tournament going on. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/user...?user=Whiplash

Pretty interesting. I'm digging the Tropical Map with the tight choke and island gold expos.

[Maguspk]

I'd watch that stream if he wasn't blaring shitty music so loud that even on low computer volume I am hurting my ears. Why the hell do people do this.

[Rivero]

I'd watch that stream if he wasn't blaring shitty music so loud that even on low computer volume I am hurting my ears. Why the hell do people do this.

Weird, he wasn't playing music when I was watching. o_O

Has anyone tried registering for one of these tournaments? I'm always afraid I'll get my ass handed to me in the first round or something. lol

[Syntex]

Gretorp's TvP strat with ghosts is stupid. As in stupid good. I can't think of a good counter other then out expanding and out massing and with cannons but if the terran player is good that won't be possible.

[Deftscythe]

Day9 is casting an invitational atm. Two matches, WhiteRa v Tester and TLO vs Idra.

Edit: Crazy game one in TLO vs Idra. Went well into late game.

[Maguspk]

Day9 is casting an invitational atm. Two matches, WhiteRa v Tester and TLO vs Idra.

Edit: Crazy game one in TLO vs Idra. Went well into late game.

Any idea what is was called or any other information? I looked on his USTREAM page and I don't think he recorded it there bcause it's only a few games of something called 'EU vs Asia'. Same deal for his youtube channel.

Really would love to see those games though.

[Dezzimal]

[Deftscythe]

Any idea what is was called or any other information? I looked on his USTREAM page and I don't think he recorded it there bcause it's only a few games of something called 'EU vs Asia'. Same deal for his youtube channel.

Really would love to see those games though.

It was the Altitude Invitational.