I have returned: StarCraft II

[geno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKSQroM3uG8

Let me know what you think.

This is the Terran equivalent of Zerg's 6pool (or BW's 4/5 pool). But just because its a fairly successful strategy doesn't mean it's a good one. It's one is often referred to as a cheese (similar to proxy gateways, cannon rush, 6pool, etc), in that if it is discovered and adequately defended, the game is over 90% of the time.

The strats are really easy to do as well, follow a very explicit build order and then don't make a mistake with your micro (you will never need to return to your base either way - outmicro and win, or mismicro and gg). Not sure I see the point in a video outlining one of the easiest strategies in the game, it would be like me posting a video of myself acing a beginner song on DDR, lol.

[Syntex]

Not sure I see the point in a video outlining one of the easiest strategies in the game

To show people how fast someone can get a reaper into your base and mess with you since its a new unit and although people know reaper rush is a threat, a lot, if not the majority don't know(because I didn't either) you can get them there THIS fast.

Also I honestly think that you should use any and every advantage you have to win.

Yes is it bad manner(BM) to 6 pool or 6reaper like this but it's somewhat of a new strategy since reaper is a new unit where as the 6 pool from zerg is something we have known about since SC came out. It is a good strategy to use this against a protoss but its undefendable even with a 6 pylon>gate>gas>core>2x chrono boost a stalker there is a 30~ second window between the reaper getting to the base and the stalker getting out so even if they do a build to counter it(that is if you know he is going 6reaper) its not going to be ready in time.

The other 'cheese' strats you mentioned like cannon rush or proxy gateway don't work against good players as anyone who sees a forge is going to know somethings up and if you scout someone and see that they have nothing built in their base then you know they had to have built it somewhere else and then you could play accordingly.

Either case its a viable strategy to win a few games as TvP but don't expect it to improve you skill. I just wanted to show people it can be good and effective even against a seasoned protoss player but don't expect it to improve your game.

[GRT]

wow 4-1 only gets you gold

and gold people are not bad >.>

[GRT]

anybody wanna play some teamed BattleCraft?? this shit is so fun!! lol



gonna be ingame, add me if you are up for it [email protected]

[Shenrien]

Great strat, but your so quiet D: seriously I maxed my volm everywhere on my pc in any config that I could get into just to hear you.

[Syntex]

Great strat, but your so quiet D: seriously I maxed my volm everywhere on my pc in any config that I could get into just to hear you.

I know and didn't notice compared to normal volume how soft I was.

I might just re-record the voice over and turn the volume up.

[geno]

To show people how fast someone can get a reaper into your base and mess with you since its a new unit and although people know reaper rush is a threat, a lot, if not the majority don't know(because I didn't either) you can get them there THIS fast.

Also I honestly think that you should use any and every advantage you have to win.

Yes is it bad manner(BM) to 6 pool or 6reaper like this but it's somewhat of a new strategy since reaper is a new unit where as the 6 pool from zerg is something we have known about since SC came out. It is a good strategy to use this against a protoss but its undefendable even with a 6 pylon>gate>gas>core>2x chrono boost a stalker there is a 30~ second window between the reaper getting to the base and the stalker getting out so even if they do a build to counter it(that is if you know he is going 6reaper) its not going to be ready in time.

The other 'cheese' strats you mentioned like cannon rush or proxy gateway don't work against good players as anyone who sees a forge is going to know somethings up and if you scout someone and see that they have nothing built in their base then you know they had to have built it somewhere else and then you could play accordingly.

Either case its a viable strategy to win a few games as TvP but don't expect it to improve you skill. I just wanted to show people it can be good and effective even against a seasoned protoss player but don't expect it to improve your game.

Well, that's essentially what i said. I don't think its BM either tbh, a win is a win, and cheeses are awesome for series play. But like you yourself agreed, its not going to help you improve. Only a couple tries at it, and pretty much anyone can master it.

It isn't impossible to defend either. On a smaller map like Steppes, you have the advantage of knowing where they spawn and a short rush distance, but they can also very easily scout your plan after 9pylon and place their second pylon near their gateway accordingly (rather than by the Nexus). On top of that, pulling a handful (4-5) of the probes before the first reaper gets there to surround the reaper when it tries to jump up a cliff can destroy this strategy while the stalker is coming.

On a bigger map like Kulas Ravine where you did it, it should definitely be possible to get a stalker out before the first reaper kills you off, especially with a 10gate build. Your opponent did a delayed 11 gate, and I don't know how close his core timing was. He also handled his mineral line poorly, pulling either too many or too few probes at various times, and never even attempted to build a stalker (he was building a zealot when you killed the pylon). Even with his build the way it was, if he had done a stalker instead of a zealot and had his second pylon within range of his gateway, he would have been in much better shape.

Still, the upgrade cost change is pretty big deal. It makes defending with probes a lot more difficult, and moving shots against buildings without taking damage a lot easier. I wonder if that is what they intended when they changed the upgrade cost.

[Syntex]

Well, that's essentially what i said. I don't think its BM either tbh, a win is a win, and cheeses are awesome for series play. But like you yourself agreed, its not going to help you improve. Only a couple tries at it, and pretty much anyone can master it.

It isn't impossible to defend either. On a smaller map like Steppes, you have the advantage of knowing where they spawn and a short rush distance, but they can also very easily scout your plan after 9pylon and place their second pylon near their gateway accordingly (rather than by the Nexus). On top of that, pulling a handful (4-5) of the probes before the first reaper gets there to surround the reaper when it tries to jump up a cliff can destroy this strategy while the stalker is coming.

On a bigger map like Kulas Ravine where you did it, it should definitely be possible to get a stalker out before the first reaper kills you off, especially with a 10gate build. Your opponent did a delayed 11 gate, and I don't know how close his core timing was. He also handled his mineral line poorly, pulling either too many or too few probes at various times, and never even attempted to build a stalker (he was building a zealot when you killed the pylon). Even with his build the way it was, if he had done a stalker instead of a zealot and had his second pylon within range of his gateway, he would have been in much better shape.

Still, the upgrade cost change is pretty big deal. It makes defending with probes a lot more difficult, and moving shots against buildings without taking damage a lot easier. I wonder if that is what they intended when they changed the upgrade cost.

I think they lowered the cost to encourage their use since they were rarely built because if you did a more normal build like 9 supply 11 rax 12 gas, most Protoss(including myself) will have 1-2 stalkers to counter a reaper rush but I don't think going early pylon even at your main and not the choke, double pylon support, and even boosting out the stalker the reaper will still be there 20-30 seconds sooner and depending if your zealot is out yet and how long the boost has left to finish it could be close.

If you want sometime today we can 1v1 and give it a try but like I said before this is prolly only going to work if it's a surprise as 90% of Protoss 9 pylon at choke and scout with that probe which is too late at that point to see the rush and then do something about it.

[Syntex]

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK I CANT WIN ANY GOD DAMN GAMES GOD DAMMIT

/endrant

[Mathematics]

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK I CANT WIN ANY GOD DAMN GAMES GOD DAMMIT

/endrant

lol me neither im in platinum

[Gryffes]

I love banelings so much.

4v4 game, all I made was banelings. over 350 of them. I killed 5 bases and a few armies with pure banelings.

[Misuicide]

Anyone on? last day of beta! lets play some 2s or 3s!

GGs with battlecraft today GRT!

[Syntex]

What the hell?

I am playing in bronze league mainly because my friend isn't as good as me and all I come across is fucking pro players who can amass an army 10x faster then me and take both of us out singlehandedly.

I don't get it when someone who is on one base income can amass an army 30% bigger then me and win when I have home court advantage, it doesn't make sense.

And about 60% of my games they just do something stupid which you can't account for like cannon rushing my partner in a spot or when I do have an army we get baneling'ed.

I feel like someone has maphack running around or 10 probes in the beginning that I am just not making use of I just don't get it.

I was beating gold/plat league players and now I am losing every bronze match where the FUCK did these players come from?

[Maguspk]

It's called leagues don't mean shit, lol.

[Kaylia]

Ranking in 2v2 is retarded. I never noticed any difference between league.

[Ferien]

Got thrown up against IdrA twice last night. Needless to say, got curbstomped.

[Syntex]

Got thrown up against IdrA twice last night. Needless to say, got curbstomped.

I would love to 1v1 Idra and get curb stomped then analyze his strategy and get better :D

[Dezzimal]

Got thrown up against IdrA twice last night. Needless to say, got curbstomped.

Nobody would ever try to steal his name right? Besides, he only plays on the Asian servers and comes to the US/EU ones for tournaments only.

[Ferien]

Nobody would ever try to steal his name right? Besides, he only plays on the Asian servers and comes to the US/EU ones for tournaments only.

Hey, if someone else could throw down 100 APM in a replay stealing his name, then I don't give a fuck if it's really him or not.

[geno]

I severely doubt Idra is only 100APM. I usually averaged between 80 and 100, my 2v2 partner was generally over 180. I consider myself an extremely slow player and its one of the things I need to work on more than anything else.