Palin is all Q.Q

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Why do you care if it's a perma ban or not?

Only guessing but Leif could very well be the most flagged for report poster on BG ever. Could be the mods just got tired of handing out warnings/infractions or dealing with the reports. Could also be that Leif's presence in any thread guaranteed an instant derail the second he spouted the same six or seven hyperbole-laced talking points he always does. I have a very hard time thinking he was going to last forever like that.

If it's a perma ban then there's no point in even posting in political threads anymore. If it's just a joke like last time then no harm done.

[Elvis]

Was it a perma ban? I really don't see the difference b/w him and every other conservative poster except that he's just more incendiary.

I don't support his ban, but this is just bullshit.

There is nothing wrong with conservatives. Leif is not a conservative. He is a caricature.

And 'incendiary' is a pretentious and false description of his argument-style.

Leif is 'point-scoring'.

He misunderstood my usage of the word, in the previous thread. Someone locked it as well, before I could reply.

This is point-scoring in the context I intended:

From:

http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2009/03/1...your-opponent/

http://www.muzzlewatch.com/wp-content/picture-111.png

Original source: 2002, World Union of Jewish Students, Hasbara Handbook: Promoting Israel on Campus. (Page 18 )

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwfne1aYA3g

The point is that he was insincere. You make it seem like he was 'controversial'.

[Despain]

It is fucked up making fun of people with down syndrome. However, since this is about Sarah Palin, does anyone actually give a fuck? Shit's hilarious.

[ZarakiKujata]

There is nothing wrong with conservatives. Leif is not a conservative. He is a caricature.

I don't think there has been a non caricature conservative in the public's eye since William Buckley/Goldwater died.

[wintersquall]

bill maher had seth on last night, shit was hilarious.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I don't support his ban, but this is just bullshit.

There is nothing wrong with conservatives. Leif is not a conservative. He is a caricature.

And 'incendiary' is a pretentious and false description of his argument-style.

The point is that he was insincere. You make it seem like he was 'controversial'.

Incendiary would seem to supplement caricature.

[Rhinox]

I don't think there has been a non caricature conservative in the public's eye since William Buckley/Goldwater died.

They're out there. Just drowned out in the sea of Neocon evangelical trash.

Bob barr and Ron paul come to mind. Unfortunately they have to make some poor choices in order to stay relevant in the sea of said trash.

[Elvis]

Incendiary would seem to supplement caricature.

Fair enough. Is that what you meant though? And if so, then why express dismay at his banning? Clearly, you felt this to be an attack BG conservatives in general.

If it's a perma ban then there's no point in even posting in political threads anymore. If it's just a joke like last time then no harm done.

[willriker]

I don't support his ban, but this is just bullshit.

There is nothing wrong with conservatives. Leif is not a conservative. He is a caricature.

And 'incendiary' is a pretentious and false description of his argument-style.

Leif is 'point-scoring'.

He misunderstood my usage of the word, in the previous thread. Someone locked it as well, before I could reply.

This is point-scoring in the context I intended:

From:

http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2009/03/1...your-opponent/

http://www.muzzlewatch.com/wp-content/picture-111.png

Original source: 2002, World Union of Jewish Students, Hasbara Handbook: Promoting Israel on Campus. (Page 18 )

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwfne1aYA3g

The point is that he was insincere. You make it seem like he was 'controversial'.

you sir have educated me on what point scoring is. thank you. btw, im being serious

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Fair enough. Is that what you meant though? And if so, then why express dismay at his banning? Clearly, you felt this to be an attack BG conservatives in general.

Basically. He has rational arguments he just inflicts unnecessary vitriol into them. Leif posts like Ann Coulter writes. She makes rational arguments in her columns but I could see all the vitriol distracting someone from even recognizing the fact that an argument was made.

And I don't what the second quote is supposed to mean.

[Pirian]

I don't support his ban, but this is just bullshit.

Don't get your panties in a twist, the ban is only for 5 days. He'll be back to throw around his pseudo arguments again in no time.

[Correction]

Don't get your panties in a twist, the ban is only for 5 days. He'll be back to throw around his pseudo arguments again in no time.

I think by 'this is bullshit' he was referring to the idea that Leif was merely an incendiary conservative.

[Elvis]

Basically. He has rational arguments he just inflicts unnecessary vitriol into them. Leif posts like Ann Coulter writes. She makes rational arguments in her columns but I could see all the vitriol distracting someone from even recognizing the fact that an argument was made.

And I don't what the second quote is supposed to mean.

Right. That's what I figured you meant. That he was 'controversial'.

[ZarakiKujata]

They're out there. Just drowned out in the sea of Neocon evangelical trash.

Bob barr and Ron paul come to mind. Unfortunately they have to make some poor choices in order to stay relevant in the sea of said trash.

But thats what I mean, if these guys had the cojones of Goldwater they would tell the neocon evangelical trash to fuck themselves as he would have instead of pandering to them.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Basically. He has rational arguments

His arguments were about as rational is this guy's:

http://www.psywarrior.com/DavidKoresh.jpg

[Pirian]

I hate that i knew who that was by his face. Bad times at the compound, man. Bad times

[Xno Kappa]

In all fairness, anyone who's ever argued with Leif should get the same ban because let's face it, it's always the same people. Trolls getting trolled trolling trolls etcetera etcetera.

[Vajra]

Here's my previous post in this thread (article and Q&A of Ms. Friedman):

Spoiler: show

NY Times cuts off the bottom parts of the article, here's the whole thing from huffypost:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_468331.html

Andrea Fay Friedman, the voice actress who played the role of "Ellen" --the character depicted as having Down syndrome on the Valentine's Day episode of Family Guy, has responded to the criticism of sometime-Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. Of special significance, Friedman herself has Down syndrome. Palingates has Friedman's complete response.

My name is Andrea Fay Friedman. I was born with Down syndrome. I played the role of Ellen on the "Extra Large Medium" episode of Family Guy that was broadcast on Valentine's day. Although they gave me red hair on the show, I am really a blonde. I also wore a red wig for my role in " Smudge" but I was a blonde in "Life Goes On". I guess former Governor Palin does not have a sense of humor. I thought the line "I am the daughter of the former governor of Alaska" was very funny. I think the word is "sarcasm".


In my family we think laughing is good. My parents raised me to have a sense of humor and to live a normal life. My mother did not carry me around under her arm like a loaf of French bread the way former Governor Palin carries her son Trig around looking for sympathy and votes. (LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL)

I have to say, that's a pretty good burn.

Also, Andrea did a Q&A w/ NY Times:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ense-of-humor/

Q. How did you start out as an actor?

A. Before I did “Family Guy,” I started studying at the Santa Monica Playhouse when I was 14, and then I also studied at the Stagecoach. And then I did more acting at Santa Monica College. My biggest break was “Life Goes On,” when I was 21.


Q. How were you hired to do this episode of “Family Guy”?

A. “Family Guy” talked to my dad first, before I knew about “Family Guy,” because I never watched it. But since I’m watching it, it’s really funny. They told me I was going to be animated, they were going to draw me, and I did not have to know the lines by memory. I just had to read it. It was really funny. I enjoyed it. I had a nice time doing it.


Q. Did they specifically tell you that the character you were going to play also had Down syndrome?

A. Yeah, they told me I was playing Ellen, who was Miss Bossy. I didn’t want to be bossy, but since they want me to be bossy, I just had to be as the character. I had to be bossy, as part of my process. That’s the only way to transform the real me to an animated person. So I had to do what an actor does. I just wing it and have fun with it.


Q. When you get asked to play characters who have Down syndrome, does that make you at all uncomfortable?

A. No, I’m proud of it. I’m not embarrassed. But mostly, it doesn’t matter if you have Down syndrome. Really, it just matters to have a different challenge.


Q. When did you find out about the reaction that the episode elicited from Sarah Palin and her family?

A. [laughs] That I did not even know about until my mom told me, “You’re on Channel 4!” And when I watched on Channel 4, on “Extra,” and I saw Sarah Palin with her son Trig. I’m like, “I’m not Trig. This is my life.” I was making fun of Sarah Palin, but not her son.


Q. Do you agree with what she and her daughter Bristol were saying, that the character and the jokes were insulting to people with Down syndrome?

A. It’s not really an insult. I was doing my role, I’m an actor. I’m entitled to say something. It was really funny. I was laughing at it. I had a nice time doing voiceover. It was my first time doing a voiceover, and I had fun.


Q. Do you know what other acting roles you’ve got coming up?

A. That I don’t know. [laughs] No one asked me yet. I’m still waiting. My dad gets the calls, and he tells me about it. I’d like to go back on “Saving Grace,” that’s my favorite show.


Q. What do you do when you’re not acting?

A. I work at a law firm, I’ve been here for 20 years. I’ve spoken all over the world, India and Japan. Dad taught me some Japanese. I like spending time with family and friends, go bowling and skiing, going to birthday parties.


Q. You’ve got a big birthday coming up yourself. How are you bracing yourself for the big 4-0?

A. Eh, it’s a big step. It’s a milestone. Might as well just leap for it.

I've known plenty of kids who were afflicted with downs syndrome, from elementary school through high school and even now in college.

In elementary school, the principal had twins who had downs syndrome (white girl and boy) and they were smart as hell. In middle school I knew one girl with it (she was black like me) and she graduated on time with me and was always nice and did things that everyone else did. In college I see kids with downs syndrome too and there is nothing that sets them apart intellectually from the normal kids, they just have a slower learning capacity is all...

That hypocritical bitch 'Sarah Palin' got burnt the fuck up, Andrea is smarter than this bitch man. Andrea sounds like someone I'd hang out with, I like bowling too .

Oh yeah Tina Fey's coming back to play Palin on SNL in starting in April, so we'll be seeing her probably act out the Tea Party convention, and this whole 'retard' offense saga, I can see it now, guest star Andrea Friedman with her saying..."Bitch please, at least my momma ain't carry me 'round unnda her arm all the time like a loaf of french bread looking for sympathy votes" LOOOOOOOOOOOOL.


P.S. in other news, I found these links from huffypost entertaining today, Repukelicans = Teabagged Hypocrites LAWL:

Republicans take credit for Recovery Act (Stimulus Bill): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_468089.html

Rubio slamming Obama for using teleprompter while he's reading the diss off of a teleprompter himself (picture included): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_467180.html

Here's a video of Andrea Friedman from Insider incase you didn't get to read the article :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhMSA6Chiag

bill maher had seth on last night, shit was hilarious.

Here's Seth Mcfarlane and others on Real Time with Bill Maher last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy-_e7FMTww

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

In all fairness, anyone who's ever argued with Leif should get the same ban because let's face it, it's always the same people. Trolls getting trolled trolling trolls etcetera etcetera.

backseat modding etc, quit trying to suck up

[Xno Kappa]

Sucking up to who lol? My point is that it's amazing how Lief can say the most outlandish shit again and again and yet the same niggas would step up to vehemently argue his stance.