So Square might have trolled the world.

**Fereydoon** · 2010-02-19 05:34

http://squallsdead.com/ Mind = BLOWN. This might be one of the better theory's..

Also one of those images will haunt my dreams for weeks. D:

**MoogleAura** · 2010-02-19 05:59

I think they're looking way too much into it. Yeah I agree it was weird that it never explains how Squall recovered from the icicle to the heart but apart from that I thought the rest of the game made sense. (It has been around 7-8 years since I last played the game) What was with the Griever connection with Squall & Ultemicia?

I always interpreted the ending sequence as Squall being stranded in time and just trying to find his way back to the present after defeating Ultemicia. He finds his way back, they have a party, Zell starts choking on hot dogs. End.

**Fereydoon** · 2010-02-19 06:44

A friend of mine linked that to me, thought it was trippy. xD

As for the Griever thing, iirc she drew it out of his mind. Like how she drew Apocalypse out of her own mind or some such.

I think the icicle hit on the right side to, so missed the heart. Then again it's a world with UFO's, Flying schools, Monsters from the moon.. and magic. So he could have just been cured or some such.

**Priran** · 2010-02-19 06:46

dumbest ff8 conspiracy theory since "ultimecia is rinoa"

**Xno Kappa** · 2010-02-19 06:51

I like the "Ultimecia is Rinoa" theory.

**Fereydoon** · 2010-02-19 06:51

Originally Posted by Priran

dumbest ff8 conspiracy theory since "ultimecia is rinoa"

I have to admit that one is just awful.

**Gokulo** · 2010-02-19 06:54

Originally Posted by fereydoon

Then again it's a world with UFO's, Flying schools, Monsters from the moon.. and magic. So he could have just been cured or some such.

I think that's the most important thing here. We are talking about fantasy/s-f world which, even though resembling our quite a lot, is being ruled with different laws, even the most basic ones.
S-E said it themselves while talking about FF7: AC - that we should think about what's happening in perspective to what we think can/should happen with physics.. And it's probably the same case in FF8, or any other FF for that matter

**Kerberoz** · 2010-02-19 06:55

Originally Posted by Priran

dumbest ff8 conspiracy theory since "ultimecia is rinoa"

But she is.

**Mytiwar** · 2010-02-19 07:20

Strangely reminds me of the guy thinking the whole Pokemon ordeal is just a dream too.

Overthinking might not kill you, but it's seriously hindering your free time if you have to write a fucking essay aboot it.

**Fereydoon** · 2010-02-19 07:23

Originally Posted by Mytiwar

Strangely reminds me of the guy thinking the whole Pokemon ordeal is just a dream too.

Overthinking might not kill you, but it's seriously hindering your free time if you have to write a fucking essay aboot it.

Oh yeah, I remember that. So it turns out everything that comes from Japan is a dream. :O Is it safe to assume Japan is a dream? xD

**GRT** · 2010-02-19 07:35

Originally Posted by Priran

dumbest ff8 conspiracy theory since "ultimecia is rinoa"

both are old as fuck

ultimecia as rinoa makes a lot of sense tho

**MoogleAura** · 2010-02-19 07:47

The Theory:
Due to the long lifespan caused by sorceress powers, Rinoa outlives all the other characters. In order to ease the pain of loseing Squall; Rinoa changes his ring, Greiver, into a GF and junctioned it to herself (or she may have just based the GF off of the ring, something along those lines). To her, Squall was the greatest person to ever live. As a result, Greiver was the strongest GF ("The most powerfull GF.... You shall....Suffer!"). But like the other GF, junctioning Greiver caused the diterioration of memory. Eventualy, all Rinoa knew was that she was a sorceress. She had even forgotten her own name, wich is why she took a new one -Ultimecia. Ultimecia knew only one thing about her past, and that was the fact that she had been happy back then. She wanted to be happy again, she didn't want to feel sorrow any more. That's why she sought out time compression. So that past, present, and future would all become one and the happyness of her past could be felt in her present and on into her future.
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Points that support the theory:
-Rinoa and Ultimecia have a very similar apperance.
-Ultimecia has Rinoa's angel wings. Although anyone can obtain magic wings my useing float. Rinoa is the only one capable of obtaining true wings such as the ones Ultimecia has.
-Ultimecia has Greiver, wich she couldn't have without a connection to Squall.
-Ultimecia's castel was located at the very same place where Squall and Rinoa promised each other that they would be.
-Ultimecia's guardians have a few of your GFs wich you can draw if you missed then earlyer in the game. As the last surviving team member, Rinoa had all the team's GFs.
-One of the team's GFs is also a guardian in Ultimecia's castel (Bahamut/Tiamat).
-Ultimecia's strongest guardian is Omega Weapon, an advanced form of Ultima Weapon. Squall and company were the only people to ever see Ultima Weapon and live.

(There's probably more, but that's all I can remember at this moment)
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Just to save some time later, I'll go ahead and disprove a few points against the theory.
-Odine said Ultimecia hasn't been born yet.
Counter Point: He dosn't know that for sure. He may know more than anyone else about sorceresses, but even Odine dosn't know everything about them. Remember, Adel strictly limited his research.

-Ultimecia has a speach problem caused by haveing a shortened tounge that Rinoa dosn't have.
Counter Point: As long as Rinoa's been alive, there's a very good chance that she may have been injured in such a way that she would talk like that the rest of her life.

Just read up on this one. Ultemicia = Rinoa does make a lot of sense. =o

**Celeras** · 2010-02-19 07:53

Originally Posted by Priran

dumbest ff8 conspiracy theory since "ultimecia is rinoa"

Nothing could top that idiocy in my book, but this comes pretty close.

Zerv · 2010-02-19 08:51

just a quick reply to this.
I believe that Ultimecia is actually Rinoa, and that theory is the one that makes the most sense to me, and another proof is that, "Griever" which Ultimecia said that was the strongest GF (or something, don't recall the exact text) was in fact Squall's Ring.

In a side note, for the ones that played Dissidia, Ultimecia's weapons have the EXACT same names as Rinoa's

**Charismatic** · 2010-02-19 08:55

hngh

Xavier · 2010-02-19 09:01

Wake me up when this theory dies.

**Rokku** · 2010-02-19 09:05

Originally Posted by Xavier

Wake me up when this theory dies.

So like any conspiracy theory regarding a SE game, you basically want to be cryogenically frozen until the year 2250 when mankind has become nearly extinct and no one remembers what a video game is

**Elcura** · 2010-02-19 09:07

The Ultimacia one is kinda interesting, but this one is just stupid.

**Lebzile** · 2010-02-19 09:08

THEN WHERE IS ANGELO? HMM?

**Acturus** · 2010-02-19 09:23

Very well thought out, and the squall-face-missing thingie gave me bad dreams for a while.

I always chalked up the choppiness in transition to "typical JRPG storytelling", where certain things were paid more attention to, and you, the viewer, were expected to accept certain things as fact.

I disagree with the website's theory, but I don't discount it. I think everything is vague enough to allow for many people to have many opinions without being wrong.

What always creeped me out was that when I fist picked up the game, I renamed Squall "Fate" and Rinoa "Destiny" without knowing anything about the story. When it started to pan out with fate as being the predominant influence to the story, I felt a little bit of clairvoyance.

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