Post Your Augmented Items V: Might As Well Be Random Fail

[bsphil]

Full usu + Rajas+ brutal : 19 stp. TP return : 5.8

with white tathlum : 5.9

5.9/5.8=1.72%

with 60%/40% split, it increases your ws by 40%*1.0172=40.688

Do people just get too tired to call him out on stupid claims like this or what?

[pchan]

Do people just get too tired to call him out on stupid claims like this or what?

My bad, when you do the math precisely you find that WT is much better actually.



I'll just assume rajas+usu feet during ws so STP+ 12 during asuran.. And full usu with or without white tathlum.

TP return on asuran will therefore be 5.4 on first 2 hits and 1.1 for additional hits. For each possible value of asuranfists TP return (x) , you can find the minimum number of hits required to reach 100+ TPs which is n=ceil( (100-x)/ tp) where tp is your base TP during melee hit. On average 0.5 hits are wasted due to multi attack per round, so make it n+0.5, then with 95% acc and 15% KA, 5% DA you average 2.25*0.95 attacks / round so the average number of round for an asuran fists' tp return is :

N= [ ceil( (100-x)/ tp)+0.5 ] / ( 2.25*0.95)

Now list possible values of x (around 20 possible values) with their probability to happen (easy to compute, I'll skip the explantion on this part :D ) and average the values of N. Spoiler'd


Without white tathlum

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Format : asuran fist's tp return / average # round found / probability to happen

0., 8.654970760, 0.
1.100000000, 8.654970760, 0.
2.200000000, 8.187134503, 0.
3.300000000, 8.187134503, 0.
4.400000000, 8.187134503, 0.
5.500000000, 8.187134503, 0.
6.600000000, 8.187134503, 0.1000000000
5.400000000, 8.187134503, 0.
6.500000000, 8.187134503, 0.
7.600000000, 7.719298246, 0.
8.700000000, 7.719298246, 0.
9.800000000, 7.719298246, 0.2000000000
10.90000000, 7.719298246, 2.200000000
12.00000000, 7.719298246, 6.900000000
10.80000000, 7.719298246, 0.
11.90000000, 7.719298246, 0.
13.00000000, 7.251461989, 0.
14.10000000, 7.251461989, 0.1000000000
15.20000000, 7.251461989, 2.700000000
16.30000000, 7.251461989, 20.90000000
17.40000000, 7.251461989, 66.30000000

avarage number of rounds :  7.298...

7.298 rounds average



With white tathlum

Spoiler: show

Format : asuran fist's tp return / average # round found / probability to happen

0., 8.187134503, 0.
1.100000000, 8.187134503, 0.
2.200000000, 8.187134503, 0.
3.300000000, 8.187134503, 0.
4.400000000, 8.187134503, 0.
5.500000000, 8.187134503, 0.
6.600000000, 7.719298246, 0.1000000000
5.400000000, 8.187134503, 0.
6.500000000, 7.719298246, 0.
7.600000000, 7.719298246, 0.
8.700000000, 7.719298246, 0.
9.800000000, 7.719298246, 0.2000000000
10.90000000, 7.719298246, 2.200000000
12.00000000, 7.251461989, 6.900000000
10.80000000, 7.719298246, 0.
11.90000000, 7.251461989, 0.
13.00000000, 7.251461989, 0.
14.10000000, 7.251461989, 0.1000000000
15.20000000, 7.251461989, 2.700000000
16.30000000, 7.251461989, 20.90000000
17.40000000, 6.783625731, 66.30000000

average number of rounds : 6.954...

6.954 rounds average

without white tahlum : 1 ws every 7.298*351 delay
with white tathlum : 1 ws every 6.954*351 delay

ws frequency increase : (1/6.954*351) / (1 / (7.298*351))=7.298/6.954=1.049=+4.9% , while 4.9/4.8 only gives ~+2%.


So to go back to the comparison BT/WT :

BT : 60%*x melee 40% WS, where x is the bonus from attack
WT : 60% melee 40%*1.049 WS

so BT > WT only if (60*x+40)>(60+40*1.049) which gives x=1.032

In other word BT beats WT (with full usu) only when 1 attack boosts more than ... 0.8% = NEVER.

[xerodok]

your numbers mean nothing to my epeen. black tathlum or bust.

[Sepukku]

You all take this shit way too seriously. You're arguing mathematical formulas and crap in an augments thread. Just post pictures/reports of augments you've gotten yourself or seen.

I got +5 Water on my Compound Eye Circlet on my low-level, solo-only Taru alternate. Combined with the +7 Earth / +9 Water on his Battle Gloves and +1 Fire / +2 Water on his Nomad's Mantle, his THF is getting a nice little Water build going!

[Jado818]

not sure if this has been posted before but here you go

http://i39.tinypic.com/15hble1.jpg

/balls

[Wakabo]

Best waist tp piece go! I'd be panicking the whole fight if that was mine.

[DAKPluto]

Would have given my left nut for that have gotten -3 slow

[Tsuko_Asura]

Best waist tp piece go! I'd be panicking the whole fight if that was mine.

Generally I wouldn't cite AV items, but given the fact that both that belt and Ninurtia's Sash have the same likelihood of falling into one's lap, 1 DEX < 6 Attk

[Snick]

Generally I wouldn't cite AV items, but given the fact that both that belt and Ninurtia's Sash have the same likelihood of falling into one's lap, 1 DEX < 6 Attk

Especially since everyone and their mother will be soloing AV later this year LOLOLOLOL!

[Khajit]

Still the best belt for a drk zerg.

[Recaldy]

http://img2.pict.com/57/f8/21/3152131/0/shield.jpg

:D

[Demosthenes11]

grats?

[Kyte]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76...319_085325.png

Pretty cool- fake sainti+1.

He also had +6 Acc +6 water resist on his Forager's and +16 HP -16 MP +4 DEX on the Ruby.

In other word BT beats WT (with full usu) only when 1 attack boosts more than ... 0.8% = NEVER.

Not necessarily saying your math is wrong per se, but wouldn't other random factors push it more in favor of BT (IE stuff like getting hit, storing TP because the monster is almost dead, going over due to DAs, etc)?

[pchan]

Not necessarily saying your math is wrong per se, but wouldn't other random factors push it more in favor of BT (IE stuff like getting hit, storing TP because the monster is almost dead, going over due to DAs, etc)?

Same argument holds for attack/str/acc, double attack on the last hit are going to be wasted with or without WT. You can add all the attack you want, it doesn't always save you a hit (but only sometimes, rarely, a combinaison of pdif sequences will save you a hit). BT is nice when acc is uncapped or when what you trade it for is better than ~2% of WS damage. I can tell you that the acc on this is useless 95% of the time on monk, the exception being maybe birds outside focus. The 4 attack is probably useless 100% of the time (TP). Also remember that faith + virtue stone exist and rape almost anything else.

I'm currently planning on swapping to White tathlum and my augmented carapace gorget with attack 4 stp 2.

[Caliburn]

Was running through whitegate, saw this, and got very confused.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...leater/wth.jpg

...Maybe they think kick attacks influences jump, since you land feet-first? /confused.

[Genrye]

Was running through whitegate, saw this, and got very confused.

...Maybe they think kick attacks influences jump, since you land feet-first? /confused.

Glance at thread

Tab to FFXI

/locker

->Bahamut's hose

And now i begin the test.

Posting results later today.

[Buttons]

Was running through whitegate, saw this, and got very confused.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...leater/wth.jpg

...Maybe they think kick attacks influences jump, since you land feet-first? /confused.

Maybe the person made the pants for his MNK and just uses them as an idle piece on his DRG cause of the movement speed? Not an augment I would have taken but i guess it's mainly used for the movement speed on his jobs.

[Genrye]

Maybe the person made the pants for his MNK and just uses them as an idle piece on his DRG

Mmhmm

Mmhm

Mhm.

Ah.

Go on.

[Wakabo]

MNK Can't even use it Buttons

[Buttons]

Opsy my bad. ;_; Absolute fail augment then lol.

Oki go on and ignore this silly Taru's fuzzy thoughts. xD