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  1. #761
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callisto View Post
    Oh hey, I'm right on time to swing in and make my scheduled 'shut the fuck up and get back to the pictures' Media visit. Pretty much anyone with any knowledge of hate mechanics and damage mitigation can tank 99% of the game's content on damn near any job. So, shut the fuck up and get back to the pictures, if I have to put down my sliced pepperoni and Wheat Thins to start moving posts I will be pretty cranky.
    Have my babies, please. <3

  2. #762
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    Still waiting to see this 44% pdt set that's "easy" to get.

    closest posted was 41%



    And nither of them are 50% pdt, no matter how you spin it.

    edit: since all good plds have one of these sets, I'll just wait to see a SS of it in the gear thread? oh wait....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SathFenrir View Post
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    Those PLDs were terrible and the people bandwagoning NIN in 2010 need to get the fuck out of here.

    We had our time, it was fun, you were all still in sky linkshells. Too bad, so sad.

    The fuck out. Get there. Now.
    I missed this, but if shield doesnt proc, byakko can kill you faster than you can react. no matter how "leet" a pld you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konda View Post
    Still waiting to see this 44% pdt set that's "easy" to get.

    closest posted was 41%



    And nither of them are 50% pdt, no matter how you spin it.

    edit: since all good plds have one of these sets, I'll just wait to see a SS of it in the gear thread? oh wait....
    You are massively retarded and one of the foremost reasons NIN has went from lolnin in 2004/2005 to an acceptable DD under Lyriamon, Dillinja, Arthars, Richardd, Myself, and others in the years to follow preceeding the 2h adjustment and now back to not just a mid-tier DD and decent tank but right smack-dab back to lolnin.

    Yes, I'm calling you out on it. You and all the other obnoxious cockbags who are having trouble with better gear and JAs following in the footsteps of the players who paved the way for you. You are shitting over everything that was ever good about the job and undoing years of effort on a massive level by players of every country, race, and gender.

    You are almost single-handedly making me embarrassed to have done Kikoku, despite all that I accomplished and the amount that I enjoyed it. You are a ridiculous waste of space who brings nothing positive to the job or to promotion of it. Honestly, If I had it my way, your keyboard would be surgically implanted in your ass so that you could literally shit your opinions all over the internet instead of figuratively shitting them all over my fucking screen.

    Get out. Don't come back. If Dil or Lyr still read BG they'd beat your fucking head in verbally. If Rich wasn't high as a fucking kite all the time and totally non-confrontational he'd do the same. So would all the countless SKILLED NINs throughout the years who have either only lurked or never posted on BG in the first place.

    Out. Get the fuck out. You have gear and JAs I could only have wished for and you're still a fucking embarrassment. Do searches back 2-3 years. Everything you're arguing has already been argued before except more eloquently and subsequently tested and proven by those arguing it. Instead of, you know, pompously postulating that until YOU can be proven wrong that you are in fact correct.

    Get.

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    Fuck.

    Out.

    NIN died. If you enjoy playing it that's fantastic. Keep enjoying playing it. Shut the fuck up with trying to make it the job it once was and shut the fuck up with trying to spout the merits of it as an HNM tank over PLD, SAM, DRK, or RDM. You're wrong. Period.

    Know how I know? I'm better than you at NIN and I prefer PLD or RDM.

    Get the fuck out.

    Now.

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    PDT for pld was posted above. Came to 42, add in Isawa's suggestions and you get 44. This whole nin/pld/whatever the fuck retarded has me annoyed, so I went to find some random augment I screenshotted just so this thread might have hope of living up to it's name.

    http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/5...0224161950.jpg

    Now stop making me feel bad for the beaten wife that is ninja. SE has already ruined her, we don't need this argument to add further emotional scars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SathFenrir View Post
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    You are massively retarded and one of the foremost reasons NIN has went from lolnin in 2004/2005 to an acceptable DD under Lyriamon, Dillinja, Richardd, Myself, and others in the years to follow preceeding the 2h adjustment and now back to not just a mid-tier DD and decent tank but right smack-dab back to lolnin.

    Yes, I'm calling you out on it. You and all the other obnoxious cockbags who are having trouble with better gear and JAs following in the footsteps of the players who paved the way for you. You are shitting over everything that was ever good about the job and undoing years of effort on a massive level by players of every country, race, and gender.

    You are almost single-handedly making me embarrassed to have done Kikoku, despite all that I accomplished and the amount that I enjoyed it. You are a ridiculous waste of space who brings nothing positive to the job or to promotion of it. Honestly, If I had it my way, your keyboard be surgically implanted in your ass so that you could literally shit your opinions all over the internet instead of figuratively shitting them all over my fucking screen.

    Get out. Don't come back. If Dil or Lyr still read BG they'd beat your fucking head in verbally. If Rich wasn't high as a fucking kite all the time and totally non-confrontational he'd do the same. So would all the countless SKILLED NINs throughout the years who have either only lurked or never posted on BG in the first place.

    Out. Get the fuck out. You have gear and JAs I could only have wished for and you're still a fucking embarrassment. Do searches back 2-3 years. Everything you're arguing has already been argued before except more eloquently and subsequently tested and proven by those arguing it. Instead of, you know, pompously postulating that until YOU can be proven wrong that you are in fact correct.

    Get.

    The.

    Fuck.

    Out.

    NIN died. If you enjoy playing it that's fantastic. Keep enjoying playing it. Shut the fuck up with trying to make it the job it once was and shut the fuck up with trying to spout the merits of it as an HNM tank over PLD, SAM, DRK, or RDM. You're wrong. Period.

    Know how I know? I'm better than you at NIN and I prefer PLD or RDM.

    Get the fuck out.

    Now.
    get the fuck over yourself.


    You're not god's gift to mankind. You didnt start a world changing trend, you didnt invent a radical new way of green energy, you merely claim to have discovered something in a video game, along with a few other people.


    +72 enmity, -50% pdt, 22% haste(white hp) works for tanking a lot of mobs.

    Sure some other jobs might be more "optimal" but that doesnt change the fact NIN works and is perfectly capable of tanking pretty much any mob in the game.


    A competent NIN is gonna out-tank an average pld/rdm/sam/drk.



    Nothing you say can change the fact that I enjoy playing NIN, and still contribute to my group while playing it. Just because you rolled over to the mainstream, doesn't mean NIN sucks in the hands of a good player.


    Not that any of this matters because you have 5700posts and everyone will automatically take your side. shit reminds me of allah.


    edit: on topic:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konda View Post
    get the fuck over yourself.


    You're not god's gift to mankind. You didnt start a world changing trend, you didnt invent a radical new way of green energy, you merely claim to have discovered something in a video game, along with a few other people.


    +72 enmity, -50% pdt, 22% haste(white hp) works for tanking a lot of mobs.

    Sure some other jobs might be more "optimal" but that doesnt change the fact NIN works and is perfectly capable of tanking pretty much any mob in the game.


    A competent NIN is gonna out-tank an average pld/rdm/sam/drk.



    Nothing you say can change the fact that I enjoy playing NIN, and still contribute to my group while playing it. Just because you rolled over to the mainstream, doesn't mean NIN sucks in the hands of a good player.


    Not that any of this matters because you have 5700posts and everyone will automatically take your side. shit reminds me of allah.
    Or maybe because I worked hard for years soloing things that had never been soloed by NIN before? You know, that thing you talk about doing and then leave up to Thorny to prove because you can't hack it?

    I even said if you enjoy playing it then keep playing. I'm just telling you to shut the fuck up and get the fuck out.

    An exceptional BLU has the ability to out damage an average SAM. Does this mean that BLU is a better DD than SAM?

    Your analogies fucking suck harder than a porn star making $500,000 a year. You literally have no concept of appropriate comparison. I'm super glad that your A+ NIN can out tank the C- PLD. Maybe your A+ NIN should fucking level PLD and stop being a B+ tank.

    Know what else works for tanking a lot of mobs? Double march and utsusemi. -50% PDT isn't doing a lot for you when you can count to fucking 3. And when it's not a factor? Try capped recast, 400 damage stoneskin, capped PDT, capped MDT, extra MDB, 30 damage phalanx, over 100% Spell interruption rate down, and the ability to be completely in control of making sure slow is on a mob.

    The point is that either can tank fine, but when shit hits the ground one is significantly better than the other.

    And I'm a much fucking more influential force in FFXI than you.

    Why?

    It's the same reason Thorny's ego is so fucking huge.

    You sit here and argue ideas that have been argued before. I'm one of the ones who argued them. I'm one of the ones who spent hundreds and hundreds of hours proving them. You're a lab assistant reviewing Newton's laws to make sure that they still work.

    You think you know NIN HNM tanking? Richardd has been there and banned before you even could afford Arhat's +1. Now you're a research assistant just fact checking the the year of the start of the American Revolution.

    Until you make a name for yourself by DOING instead of TALKING I don't want to hear anything more from you and neither does anyone else. There's a reason people listen to the Kaeko's of the game. It's one thing to prove on paper. It's another thing to be the one proving it on paper, then in the field, then writing up a detailed summary of who, what, when, where, and why for everyone else to benefit from.

    I'm no Kaeko, but I sure as fuck am God-Tier compared to you buddy.

    Edit: Now, before more of your incessant whining about being persecuted by the boys with big post counts, I've got shit to do on RDM that would be IMPOSSIBLE to do on NIN that requires my full intention.

    So, to reiterate:

    Get.

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  8. #768
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    Quote Originally Posted by Konda View Post
    I missed this, but if shield doesnt proc, byakko can kill you faster than you can react. no matter how "leet" a pld you are.
    And the difference for nin is? If you don't evade, byakko can kill you faster than you can react. no matter how "leet" a nin you are.

    Point is, paladins can get good PDT if needed. Nin generally idle in a bit more, which is definitely nice, but it's not what you're trying to make it out to be. As someone said, every job in this game can tank with shadows - nin is no different, and tbh it's the job I go to if I want to tank something while not engaged, but that's because nothing is really that hard to tank, it shares gear with my sam, and I leveled it back when I thought it was a decent tank. I have no desire to level or smn burn paladin to 75 and then have to go through the effort of gearing it.

    The only thing I can think of where nin is an ideal tank is when you're fighting something that stun will help on every time it's up (which also implies "and you don't have a blm to do it". And this does come up a few times (Erebus if you didn't bring a black mage...though granted a rdm can solo it still, but if you want to straight tank it...for Feuerunke stunning slowgas helps a ton, etc), but really a black mage can do it too, so it's nothing special. And I guess nin may be a bit better for solo-duo holding a few mobs than paladin (but rdm still beats nin there).

    Finally, there is no golden # where a PDT set suddenly makes you invincible. You seem to think that once you hit 50%, you can't be touched. Don't get me wrong, 50% is better than 46% or 41% or whatever, but you're singling this out and focusing so hard on "it's still not 50%" that you've lost sight on reality and just what it does / what you're giving up to get it. May I ask how your nins MDT/MDB set is? 'cause it's worse than a rdm or pld (not to mention MDB traits on rdm). And would you like to factor shield block mitigation into your overall mitigation formula for PDT? Or are you content with the idea that 50% PDT is unbeatable, and 49% is just trash regardless what other tools exist?

    Sorry, there is absolutely no logic to anything you are posting. And again, the only job I traditional-style tank with is nin (though I'm obviously in the camp of DD-tank with sam/nin in general).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callisto View Post
    Oh hey, I'm right on time to swing in and make my scheduled 'shut the fuck up and get back to the pictures' Media visit. Pretty much anyone with any knowledge of hate mechanics and damage mitigation can tank 99% of the game's content on damn near any job. So, shut the fuck up and get back to the pictures, if I have to put down my sliced pepperoni and Wheat Thins to start moving posts I will be pretty cranky.
    Go ahead and start banning since people can't read.

  10. #770
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    May I ask how your nins MDT/MDB set is?
    http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=95112

    I'd be the first to admit that magic is NIN's weakest point, but it's not so bad with the above set.


    However, the reason i keep talking about 50% pdt is because it's the most reliable source of damage reduction in the game. shielding, evading, counter are all chance based, and due to the very nature of chance, you can get a string of full damage hits which can kill you, depending on what is hitting you and with what. It works when stunned, terror'd petrified, asleep, blinded/flashed, everything.
    50% pdt doesnt leave anything to chance, it directly reduces the damage you take by half, no matter what. Other jobs can do this too, but the only job that loses nothing from swapping to a full pdt set is RDM. pld loses tp used to atonement and shield, sam loses it's main enmity generation source.

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    Found this in whitegate, thought it was...........nice.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...413_010235.jpg

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    Knock it off, Sath and Konda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcgarrell View Post
    Found this in whitegate, thought it was...........nice.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...413_010235.jpg
    Eh just a free snow ring really.

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    Wrong thread *hurridly looks for an augment*

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    Nice, free triumph earring.

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    could use that earring on my sam instead of brutal for my namas macro!

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    oh my, finally !

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