Post Your Augmented Items V: Might As Well Be Random Fail

[noodles355]

Your parse is about as non-descript as it comes.

If you're allowed to come on a job that is so insufficiently geared to a zone that maxes out at 18 people you're expecting us all to go a LONG way in terms of mental leaps to assume that your mages cast blindna and dispel instantly for the entire duration of the run every time you were heca wave'd / pugils used EVA boost TP moves.

Not to mention that every Fomor / Kindred THF will have easily 20-30 more EVA than a greater colibri (which in the gear you just listed you still don't cap on without hasso, btw)

I call throngs upon throngs of bullshit.

Edit: The highest amount of melee swings in the parse is ~100 over what I do in a 22-25 minute Einherjar run with 13-14 total DDs. You have 6 including you on the melee damage list.

289+72+27+24=412?

Edit: 292 skill, 72 dex naked.

Edit2: The parse is so short because it's only the beginning of the run on hornets+kindred+taurus++hydra. After that I died a few times, parsed love halberd for a while (it did shit ofc) continued to die a few times so didn't bother saving it.

[BerenTebogo]

289+72+27+24=412?

Edit: 292 skill, 72 dex naked.

I lowballed your base DEX. With 299 skill, 72 base DEX +20 from gear (aurum / love / rajas / thallo) and +25 ACC (tiphia, homam feet, swift, homam hands, sniper ring, askar legs) you have 405.1 ACC.

Please excuse me, you cap ACC on Greater Colibri by .1

Dynamis-Tavnazia obviously ain't got shit on you son.

[noodles355]

72+24 (Thala, Aurum, Askar Legs, Rajas, Torque)
27 acc in gear (tiphia, assault, homam hands/feet, sniper, askar, swift)
299 skill

412.

[noodles355]

Also "without Hasso"... huh?

Edit Also again: database file wont open, so can't tell you how many mobs it was. numbers above are copy/pasted off forum.

Either way, you said "poidh", and I provided pics, well, a parse anyway, no fudging (whether you wanna believe that or not is your problem, it doesn't bother me) if you don't want to accept that then that's your look out.

[BerenTebogo]

72+24 (Thala, Aurum, Askar Legs, Rajas, Torque)
27 acc in gear (tiphia, assault, homam hands/feet, sniper, askar, swift)
299 skill

412.

410 actually. I gave a figure based on the gear you listed (admittedly I didn't know askar legs had DEX on them because wtf, askar legs, are you unable to complete the ASA scenario?) Had you listed assault I would have included it.

You're making my point for me, though. As you suck less at FFXI you need pizza more and more for Dynamis Tavnazia. That 420 ACC /with/ hasso is going to drop to 406 with proper gear (didn't include cuchu since you don't own one, haste upgrades minus body only.)

back to 410 again, this time /with/ hasso if I also discount 6% haste belt in favor of swift. In which case you're sacrificing capped ACC for 20 attack. Not very smart.

Back on point, cap for Dynamis-Tavnazia at the low-end is around 425. Which means something critical is being left out of your info. That something is either Hunter's Roll, lolMadrigal, or you're misrepresenting the food you ate. Since we only have your word and your "parse" I'm not inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one (aka an army of THF rotating Feint on every mob + gravity on every single mob and thallosocrat proc'd on every mob that THFs were unable to feint.)

[noodles355]

99*0.9=89
200=200
(72+24)*0.75=72
24=24
27=27
200+89+72+24+27=412

Also, "i dont include cuch mantle because you don't own one" is a bad argument, if you want to go perfect gear, ie wyrm+1 oat and blitz, then it's expected you should have cuch aswell.

If you look at Confuse and Lior, (both War/Sams better gear than mine)they are also 90+. It's not just me.

However, I can not comment on what buffs I had, this parse is from a while a go(I'll update the post in a sec and say how far back). You're observation is probably correct though, I assume we had hunters/chaos/marches, like I said above the file wont load on kparser
inb4 bullshit: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...arsebugger.jpg
although it might have been fighters/chaos for the start and hunters later, i really do not remember.

Edit: parse was posted on forums on 28/3/2010, so i think the tav run was the 26th march (maybe the 22nd but almost certainly the 26th)

[BerenTebogo]

DRG get 22 ACC from trait, not 24. I didn't include cuchu on the same calc I didn't include Wyrm mail +1, discounted weapon, and discounted velo belt. Aka the calc that assumed reasonable gear you could get. (Blitz and homam legs.)

My original calculation that had the OAT in it also had cuchu. 406 is Everything you listed in your above post replacing only homam <-> askar, velo<->swift, blitz<->sniper.
As I said, only haste upgrades minus the body.

"90 plus" with hunter's roll is downright unacceptable, period. You clearly don't understand the benefits you're sacrificing if you're using hunter's roll at all (which you were, fulltime, if you were at capped ACC with your gear.) SAM + DRK or WAR + DRK if you don't have a SAM main in the party, while using pizza or pizza +1 are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RNG + DRK and YCB, definitely >>>>> RCB too if hunter's roll isn't even bringing your other DDs to cap.

[noodles355]

YCB RCB?

Also re: ASA legs, they're for an important job, not drg. (haste/macc rdm)

I assume it was hunters as by your numbers you're right, i shouldn't be capped on average it would be around 93-94. I can't comment on what the other DDs were eating.
And yes I agree drk+war rolls would obviously be miles better if you can cap your acc (or get 85% at least).

blindna is never really an issue, esuna is a wonderful thing

[BerenTebogo]

YCB RCB?

Also re: ASA legs, they're for an important job, not drg. (haste/macc rdm)

I assume it was hunters as by your numbers you're right, i shouldn't be capped on average it would be around 93-94. I can't comment on what the other DDs were eating.
And yes I agree drk+war rolls would obviously be miles better if you can cap your acc (or get 85% at least).

blindna is never really an issue, esuna is a wonderful thing

Yellow Curry / Red Curry abbreviations.

Haste +3 on ASA legs for RDM is fine, MACC is wtf as Mahatma offers 1 MACC less than you'd get on ASA (counting the INT/MND+2 on ASA) and leaves you open to put MOV+, Curepot+, enmity-, pdt-4%, etc etc etc. That, however, is neither here nor there.

ACC+7 Haste +3 STR+2 pants for DRG are the best, period, no exception. ASA pants for RDM are a sidegrade for gear that can be bought at AH or from a LS (nashira legs) but whatever, that's your choice.

85% ACC is not acceptable either, you really need to get over this mis-representation of the importance of ACC. You're a DRG, you live and die by a 4-hit WS. 85% ACC means you have a 52% chance to land all hits of Drakesbane. I mean, come the fuck on now.

Let me break it down for you, as a DRG (which I am not, it is however my wife's favorite job in FFXI which means I know as much about DRG as I do NIN or WAR) Capping ACC is your goal, period. Unless you are shelling out 250k per stack of food (Red curry buns) for every event in FFXI you play DRG @ that do not consist of Greater Colibris you are sacrificing 40 or more ACC for 20 ATT and 5 STR in Yellow Curry buns.

In reality? It's actually less than that. In your struggling to cap ACC with meat you'd be using Cuchulain's if you could afford one, meaning the discrepancy is actually 5 ATT and 3 STR between Pizza + Amemet +1 and YCB + Cuchulain's. You're also using Sniper's ring over Blitz ring, so now we're sacrificing 1% haste for 5 ATT and 3 STR, aka you're basically walking around spouting the merits of askar head over turban for things that aren't DRG/mage solo.

Expand this out more and you have pizza as a DRG allowing you to equip ATT+7 over assault earring, a net gain of a few hundred thousand gil from selling assault and +2 ATT (down to 3ATT 3STR -1% haste YCB > Pizza +1 now) and allow you to use Dusk hands (NQ, I'll keep this realistic for you) and smart grenade over Homam and Tiphia, a gain of 7 ATT.

If you've been keeping track that now means that by using YCB over Pizza +1 you are in fact sacrificing 4 attack 22 accuracy and 1% haste for a gain of 3STR, discounting other gear that you don't readily have access to.

Your turn.

[SaviorSelf]

Flex your cocks in PM's, need more augments in this thread.

[BerenTebogo]

Flex your cocks in PM's, need more augments in this thread.

Sorry bro, didn't realize ACP ruby rings were more important than relevant FFXI discussion that many lurkers and less frequent posters may read and utilize for their benefit.

Screw potential improvement of the overall FFXI experience through academic discussion and debate, I NEED to know RIGHT NOW if there has been another DEX+1 augment from ACP or I might have a panic attack.

[SaviorSelf]

By all means, plenty of places to post something with your vast knowledge of teh vidya games. Being the uninformed guy that I am, if I wanted to know about the amount of ACC a DRG needs in dyna-tav, would I really look in the augment thread? Probably not.

"FFXI experience through academic discussion and debate" hahahahaha, pocket protector brosef, careful.

[Drac]

Sorry bro, didn't realize ACP ruby rings were more important than relevant FFXI discussion that many lurkers and less frequent posters may read and utilize for their benefit.

Screw potential improvement of the overall FFXI experience through academic discussion and debate, I NEED to know RIGHT NOW if there has been another DEX+1 augment from ACP or I might have a panic attack.

I got one from sky!

[Dontkare]

Yellow Curry / Red Curry abbreviations.

Haste +3 on ASA legs for RDM is fine, MACC is wtf as Mahatma offers 1 MACC less than you'd get on ASA (counting the INT/MND+2 on ASA) and leaves you open to put MOV+, Curepot+, enmity-, pdt-4%, etc etc etc. That, however, is neither here nor there.

ACC+7 Haste +3 STR+2 pants for DRG are the best, period, no exception. ASA pants for RDM are a sidegrade for gear that can be bought at AH or from a LS (nashira legs) but whatever, that's your choice.

85% ACC is not acceptable either, you really need to get over this mis-representation of the importance of ACC. You're a DRG, you live and die by a 4-hit WS. 85% ACC means you have a 52% chance to land all hits of Drakesbane. I mean, come the fuck on now.

Let me break it down for you, as a DRG (which I am not, it is however my wife's favorite job in FFXI which means I know as much about DRG as I do NIN or WAR) Capping ACC is your goal, period. Unless you are shelling out 250k per stack of food (Red curry buns) for every event in FFXI you play DRG @ that do not consist of Greater Colibris you are sacrificing 40 or more ACC for 20 ATT and 5 STR in Yellow Curry buns.

In reality? It's actually less than that. In your struggling to cap ACC with meat you'd be using Cuchulain's if you could afford one, meaning the discrepancy is actually 5 ATT and 3 STR between Pizza + Amemet +1 and YCB + Cuchulain's. You're also using Sniper's ring over Blitz ring, so now we're sacrificing 1% haste for 5 ATT and 3 STR, aka you're basically walking around spouting the merits of askar head over turban for things that aren't DRG/mage solo.

Expand this out more and you have pizza as a DRG allowing you to equip ATT+7 over assault earring, a net gain of a few hundred thousand gil from selling assault and +2 ATT (down to 3ATT 3STR -1% haste YCB > Pizza +1 now) and allow you to use Dusk hands (NQ, I'll keep this realistic for you) and smart grenade over Homam and Tiphia, a gain of 7 ATT.

If you've been keeping track that now means that by using YCB over Pizza +1 you are in fact sacrificing 4 attack 22 accuracy and 1% haste for a gain of 3STR, discounting other gear that you don't readily have access to.

Your turn.

Damn. Why can't you have stayed on Fenrir, we need more people like this haha.

[BerenTebogo]

"FFXI experience through academic discussion and debate" hahahahaha, pocket protector brosef, careful.

Did I just get called a nerd on BG?

Fuck.

Guess I have no choice now. Simple plan CDs, a few razor blades, and my diary, got everything I need. If you need me I'll be in the corner crying.

[Yugl]

Did you just try to defeat my argument by saying "food is expensive"...?
Lol.

I actually beat it with everything before that. The 200k food is the extra kicker.

[Gosyac]

Spotted this while at KA just now:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...yac/Spinel.jpg

[noodles355]

Yellow Curry / Red Curry abbreviations.

Haste +3 on ASA legs for RDM is fine, MACC is wtf as Mahatma offers 1 MACC less than you'd get on ASA (counting the INT/MND+2 on ASA) and leaves you open to put MOV+, Curepot+, enmity-, pdt-4%, etc etc etc. That, however, is neither here nor there.

ACC+7 Haste +3 STR+2 pants for DRG are the best, period, no exception. ASA pants for RDM are a sidegrade for gear that can be bought at AH or from a LS (nashira legs) but whatever, that's your choice.

85% ACC is not acceptable either, you really need to get over this mis-representation of the importance of ACC. You're a DRG, you live and die by a 4-hit WS. 85% ACC means you have a 52% chance to land all hits of Drakesbane. I mean, come the fuck on now.

Let me break it down for you, as a DRG (which I am not, it is however my wife's favorite job in FFXI which means I know as much about DRG as I do NIN or WAR) Capping ACC is your goal, period. Unless you are shelling out 250k per stack of food (Red curry buns) for every event in FFXI you play DRG @ that do not consist of Greater Colibris you are sacrificing 40 or more ACC for 20 ATT and 5 STR in Yellow Curry buns.

In reality? It's actually less than that. In your struggling to cap ACC with meat you'd be using Cuchulain's if you could afford one, meaning the discrepancy is actually 5 ATT and 3 STR between Pizza + Amemet +1 and YCB + Cuchulain's. You're also using Sniper's ring over Blitz ring, so now we're sacrificing 1% haste for 5 ATT and 3 STR, aka you're basically walking around spouting the merits of askar head over turban for things that aren't DRG/mage solo.

Expand this out more and you have pizza as a DRG allowing you to equip ATT+7 over assault earring, a net gain of a few hundred thousand gil from selling assault and +2 ATT (down to 3ATT 3STR -1% haste YCB > Pizza +1 now) and allow you to use Dusk hands (NQ, I'll keep this realistic for you) and smart grenade over Homam and Tiphia, a gain of 7 ATT.

If you've been keeping track that now means that by using YCB over Pizza +1 you are in fact sacrificing 4 attack 22 accuracy and 1% haste for a gain of 3STR, discounting other gear that you don't readily have access to.

Your turn.

The haste was because it was the most haste rdm can get on the legs, the macc was because i was looking at rdm augments and thinking "what combination of this is the best for it's purpose and can't be matched by other gear?" I thought about pdt/speed+, but wlegs+goli depending on circumstance should cover that (1% less pdt, though ofc). I figured putting macc on them would make them the best drain/aspir/stun pants I could get.
Cure pot would have been a good choice too, but i figured at the time that these will cover me for both dark magic spells and debuffs where I need quick recast (bind/grav) as it'll be a damn long time befor nash drop (afterall im 4/5 homam missing legs still, and everyone wants fucking nash legs)

Regarding food, I take the effort to buy real food (if just brd: (no att buffs) rabbit pie, if cor or 2nd brd (att buffs) then red curry). Considering the amount of events i use drg at, spending 12k per food doesn't seem like a big deal. But I also dont use shit arrows on rng either, kabura or ->

You spend your whole time arguing abotu best possible gear options, which for things like cuch involves spending a lot of gil, yet you don't consider food important enough to use rabbit pie or red curry in favour of yellow curry for things you'd use meat on. I'm sorry but if you want to call my gear mediocre (which it is) then your food choices (if yellow curry) is just as mediocre.
If you're mathamagicising meat, you should use red curry or rabbit pie.

Again, you bring up Gil, and selling things, and whilst yes it is completely valid in my example for (as we have agreed on, my gear is savagely mediocre) but when concidering ideal builds as we like to do on here, gil should not be a factor.

Drakesbane? TP acc =/= Drakesbane Acc.
I can't tell you my drakes accuracy off the top of my head, I will update after I've checked it later.

On colibri, if you are around the 85% hit rate mark, mithkabobs will beat crab sushi (unless your a GKT sam). By that, real meat will also beat pizza on things where you are 85% acc.

Fuck yellow curry buns.

[Shenrien]

FUCK that ring is hot

[BerenTebogo]

The haste was because it was the most haste rdm can get on the legs, the macc was because i was looking at rdm augments and thinking "what combination of this is the best for it's purpose and can't be matched by other gear?" I thought about pdt/speed+, but wlegs+goli depending on circumstance should cover that (1% less pdt, though ofc). I figured putting macc on them would make them the best drain/aspir/stun pants I could get.
Cure pot would have been a good choice too, but i figured at the time that these will cover me for both dark magic spells and debuffs where I need quick recast (bind/grav) as it'll be a damn long time befor nash drop (afterall im 4/5 homam missing legs still, and everyone wants fucking nash legs)

Regarding food, I take the effort to buy real food (if just brd: (no att buffs) rabbit pie, if cor or 2nd brd (att buffs) then red curry). Considering the amount of events i use drg at, spending 12k per food doesn't seem like a big deal. But I also dont use shit arrows on rng either, kabura or ->

You spend your whole time arguing abotu best possible gear options, which for things like cuch involves spending a lot of gil, yet you don't consider food important enough to use rabbit pie or red curry in favour of yellow curry for things you'd use meat on. I'm sorry but if you want to call my gear mediocre (which it is) then your food choices (if yellow curry) is just as mediocre.
If you're mathamagicising meat, you should use red curry or rabbit pie.

Again, you bring up Gil, and selling things, and whilst yes it is completely valid in my example for (as we have agreed on, my gear is savagely mediocre) but when concidering ideal builds as we like to do on here, gil should not be a factor.

Drakesbane? TP acc =/= Drakesbane Acc.
I can't tell you my drakes accuracy off the top of my head, I will update after I've checked it later.

On colibri, if you are around the 85% hit rate mark, mithkabobs will beat crab sushi (unless your a GKT sam). By that, real meat will also beat pizza on things where you are 85% acc.

Fuck yellow curry buns.

You have shit gear and you spend more on food in a month than I do in a year.

Your priorities are ass-fucking backwards, sorry. You have no idea how ATT and PDIF work if you can justify spending 20k on a red curry bun while having uncapped ACC. Seriously, I was being somewhat nice before because I thought maybe you just didn't know, now you're proving to me that you are abso-fucking-lutely retarded.

You're comparing Gcolibri, a mob you can cap PDIF on with 85% ACC to mobs that you'll be at a 1.5 PDIF or less with 85% ACC. Are you fucking kidding me?

Seriously? Is this a big fucking joke at my expense?

You're either trollin' or this conversation is going in my "favorite moment on BG" folder inside my head.

Also, protip: DRG WS ACC < DRG TP ACC, in almost EVERY scenario.

I...I really don't want to believe it.

You could make such monumental upgrades to your gear and playstyle as a whole for less than you spend on food for 3 months. It's like putting a $20,000 stereo system in a 1982 Honda Civic.

What the fuck is wrong with you?