Post Your Augmented Items V: Might As Well Be Random Fail

[Dooom]

I don't give a shit if expecting something that coincides with the title means I'm waiting a day or two between new pictures. People need to seriously stop shitting up my entertainment. Seriously.

Stop shitting up my argument-based entertainment with calls for boring pictures D:

If all you want is pictures and no discussion, may I suggest here or if that is too much, here.

There was no thread for what we were talking about and it wasn't worth starting one; there have already been more posts about derailing media threads than there were in the actual derail. As for organization and all that crap, forums are not meticulously ordered binders full of magic cards, they're conversations, and conversations can change topics.

The best thing about BG compared to Alla, KI et al. is it's lack of organisation and willingness to let threads be derailed and debate different things. The point about the relic thread under Aurik only reinforces why debate is good, pictures-onry is bad.

[Cymmina]

That is a hot ass belt. Would be crazy if you got INT +6 as well but it is still good as is. I would love to have one of those for my rdm.

I posted a +6 INT belt a while back (might be in an the previous thread)

[Valacirca]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...assivefail.png

It's just so....bad...

Never NPC it, that is just awesome. I'd town-gear that all the time.

[mdkuser]

1STR 1 attack short, for the best focus/caped accuracy neck piece for MNK and several other DDS.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/d...z/carapace.jpg

[Midnightjade]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...assivefail.png

It's just so....bad...

The SE anti-gods gave it to you as punishment for insulting all those innocent Midgardsormrians yesterday, lol. :D

Actually, I feel like my BST is wearing one of those the whole damn time.

I strongly suggest you sit in Whitegate wearing it, a Spelunker's hat and a pair of Stumbling Sandals for maximum effect.

[Demosthenes11]

1STR 1 attack short, for the best focus/caped accuracy neck piece for MNK and several other DDS.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/d...z/carapace.jpg

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=11578

[Takedown3]

jade why did u leave cerb?

[miokomioko]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=11578

How many uninterrupted attacks is it going to take for 1% haste to outweigh a healthy bundle of Attack, STR, and Store TP? Honest question.

[Shenrien]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...assivefail.png

It's just so....bad...

this + spelunkers would be hot lol

[Demosthenes11]

How many uninterrupted attacks is it going to take for 1% haste to outweigh a healthy bundle of Attack, STR, and Store TP? Honest question.

store tp does nothing if it doesnt save you a hit. Would you use a flame ring over a blitz ring?

[miokomioko]

store tp does nothing if it doesnt save you a hit. Would you use a flame ring over a blitz ring?

My question was not answered.

[noodles355]

How many uninterrupted attacks is it going to take for 1% haste to outweigh a healthy bundle of Attack, STR, and Store TP? Honest question.

MY god he's onto something, time to take my Askar Zuchetto off my Mannequin!

Also, inb4 STP+2 is 2% more TP which is important! Mnk shouldn't focus on xhit, but TP/hour!!

[miokomioko]

Can you stop being a complete douchebag and answer my honest question? I'm actually curious and not trying to argue against Tiercel/Blitz etc. Fucking jackasses.

[Nightfyre]

The problem is that your question really isn't a valid one. Number of hits has nothing to do with which is better; base Haste, per-hit damage, WS:TP splits, and whether or not the STP matters (along with the x-hits and overflow rates involved) do.

[Darkmagi]

That neck is better for the same reason skadi pants > homam legs on thf. Lower average attack rounds to 100TP. Also realize its only going to be a fraction of a haste with full usu.

[noodles355]

That neck is better for the same reason skadi pants > homam legs on thf. Lower average attack rounds to 100TP. Also realize its only going to be a fraction of a haste with full usu.

That is only because adding skadi basically always reduces one hit to 100%TP.
Other than that, for dual wielders, STP is just the same as a 2h job: Does it shave off a hit? Yes: good, no: useless. The difference is that with 2H it's either save a round or not, whereas with DWers it's save a whole round (2hits), just one hit, or none. If it shaves off one hit, not a full round, you can just estimate the increased WS rate as old/new *0.5.

So really if that STP+2 doesn't change your number of hits to 100%TP on mnk at all, then it's only the att/str you're comparing, which is ironic as mdkuser is usually the one advocating small haste upgrades over att/str.

So if you actually calulate STP sensibly instead of looking at TP/hr or %TP increase without looking at X-hits, and find that 2STP to not do anything, is that str/att gorget better than Tircel? I doubt. Afterall, if it was then why the hell do people advocate Wyrm Mail+1 over Ares, which per % haste is a much larger att/str gain.

[Fottiti]

Because Mdkuser was comparing a str/attack neck piece to tiercel on mnk which already has 25% haste and only gains a fraction of the 1% going to 26%.

[Demosthenes11]

mnk wasnt the only DD he was talking about

[Fingerspitz]

How many uninterrupted attacks is it going to take for 1% haste to outweigh a healthy bundle of Attack, STR, and Store TP? Honest question.

It's best not to think about the number of attacks; it's true that a lot of the time an extra bit of haste won't do you any good because the mob dies in the same amount of time, but the same is true for all stats, including STR and atk. What matters is what the chance is of the additional stats saving you time, and how much they'll save if they do.

If you've got a specific thing in mind you should ask the what's better thread in advanced, they can tell you what the real impact of increasing your fSTR or haste is for a given set of enemies and buffs (1% often ends up being much more significant than it seems because of the way haste stacks).

[Darkmagi]

That is only because adding skadi basically always reduces one hit to 100%TP.
Other than that, for dual wielders, STP is just the same as a 2h job: Does it shave off a hit? Yes: good, no: useless. The difference is that with 2H it's either save a round or not, whereas with DWers it's save a whole round (2hits), just one hit, or none. If it shaves off one hit, not a full round, you can just estimate the increased WS rate as old/new *0.5.

So really if that STP+2 doesn't change your number of hits to 100%TP on mnk at all, then it's only the att/str you're comparing, which is ironic as mdkuser is usually the one advocating small haste upgrades over att/str.

So if you actually calulate STP sensibly instead of looking at TP/hr or %TP increase without looking at X-hits, and find that 2STP to not do anything, is that str/att gorget better than Tircel? I doubt. Afterall, if it was then why the hell do people advocate Wyrm Mail+1 over Ares, which per % haste is a much larger att/str gain.

You are incorrect about the skadi. Even if you are using weapons that don't always shave an attack round off (Triple attack and double attacks make this happen a lot regardless), the average hits to 100 is reduced by the store tp enough to make it beat the 1% haste on homam legs. The fact that mnk can get 25% haste beforehand only strengthens the value of this neck since your only losing out on a fraction of a haste.