PLD Gear Discussion

[Eanae]

If you invest more, stuff like serket ring, astral earring etc, you can actually replace homam hand, leg, and feet for more enmity, but that's really hardcore stuff.

You can replace them anyways. Iron Ram has the same or more hp then Homam pieces with more enmity.

[Raen Ryong]

Guess I'll toss this here instead of What's Better since I was going to ask anyways, I currently use Buckler/Loq for Ichi, would Knightly be worth picking up over the Buckler?

edit: to clarify, I mean the SIR-9%/Bash+whatever one, not the DM reward

You're basically looking at an 100% Spell Interrupt Down Chance * (increase in shield rate) vs 9% Spell Interrupt Down Chance, assuming they work linearly. Given the shield proc also reduces the damage you take and the Spell Interrupt doesn't, I'd probably still stick with Buckler.

[Eanae]

exec pldnin_tank.txt
input /ma "Cure IV" <me>;
pause 0.5;
input /equip head ;
input /equip neck "Morgana's Choker";
input /equip back "Settler's Cape";
input /equip waist "Astral Rope";
input /equip body ;
input /equip ear1 ;
input /equip ear2 "Astral Earring";
input /equip ring2 "Serket Ring";
input /equip ring1 "Ether Ring";
pause 1.5;
input /equip head "Valor Coronet";
input /equip body "Iron Ram Hauberk";
input /equip neck "Ritter Gorget";
input /equip hands "Iron Ram Dastanas";
input /equip legs "Iron Ram Hose";
input /equip waist "Trance Belt";
input /equip ring2 "Bomb queen Ring";
input /equip ring1 "Hercules' Ring";
input /equip back "Valor Cape";
input /equip ear1 "Cassie Earring";
input /equip ear2 "Hospitaler Earring";
input /echo === Paladin Cure IV HP gear (396 Cured) ===;
pause 4;
exec pldnin_tank.txt;

396 and can use valor cape instead of Gigant. Happy this topic made me rethink my setup.

[Tulun]

Not that I really think this is the thread for it(given that its specifically about optimizing paladin), but neither of the two really belong on most targets. RDM/NIN for things that simply can't be effectively damaged(DI, etc.), DRK/NIN for moderately dangerous things that can be damaged(Tiamat, etc.), WAR or SAM for shit so stupidly easy that an EXP party could kill it(Faf, etc.)

Heh, is DRK/NIN becoming popular as a tank? Why the change? I suppose it has the advantage of a good hate line, can DD and dread spikes is pretty ownage...

[Dramafinderftw]

Heh, is DRK/NIN becoming popular as a tank? Why the change? I suppose it has the advantage of a good hate line, can DD and dread spikes is pretty ownage...

You dont get dread spikes with sub drk, and most linkshells use pld onry which is pretty dumb but they don't like taking the chance I suppose, most of them feel like pld is the only way to go and is better at it all which is totally untrue.

[Eanae]

You dont get dread spikes with sub drk, and most linkshells use pld onry which is pretty dumb but they don't like taking the chance I suppose, most of them feel like pld is the only way to go and is better at it all which is totally untrue.

He isn't talking sub drk. Talking drk main. Taint tanked Tiamat yesterday DRK/NIN, and Kaces has on multiple occasions as well. It's certainly viable. Though having your tank go and souleater zerg with Kclub without bloodweapon is a bit nerve wracking. >_>

[Mojo]

I'm guessing you thought he said NIN/DRK instead of DRK/NIN.

[BerenTebogo]

I still frown on HP down -> Up cure IV for anything other than recover from hate reset. I just don't like it.

Maximize cure 3 swap > cure 4 swap w/o either gjallarhorn or some form of favor / evoker's roll to supplement mp regen. (assuming double march or march / ballad)

[Tsuko_Asura]

You dont get dread spikes with sub drk, and most linkshells use pld onry which is pretty dumb but they don't like taking the chance I suppose, most of them feel like pld is the only way to go and is better at it all which is totally untrue.

DRK/NIN, not NIN/DRK.

And people have just come to understand that PLD's surviability really isn't anything special. DRK simply has more to offer against anything that can't be 100% DD-tanked(flying wyrms, things with regular hate-resets, etc).

Personally, I see PLD as a tank/DD hybrid(DRK, WAR, SAM obviously being better DD, and RDM being a better tank), and subsequently outdated.

[Meepein]

Please pardon the stupidity/laziness, but what's the gear like for a DRK tank? Is it stupidly expensive/hard to get shit, or is it basic stuff like enmity and haste (ie, Homam and the like, probably with Ares body in there)? Kinda curious if I could try to pull this off (which would mean I would not, strictly, be melee onry any more.)

[BerenTebogo]

DRK/NIN, not NIN/DRK.

And people have just come to understand that PLD's surviability really isn't anything special. DRK simply has more to offer against anything that can't be 100% DD-tanked(flying wyrms, things with regular hate-resets, etc).

Personally, I see PLD as a tank/DD hybrid(DRK, WAR, SAM obviously being better DD, and RDM being a better tank), and subsequently outdated.

I agree on this as a PLD main for years and years and years. It just isn't the wonder it used to be when this game was perceived as challenging.

[Gustave]

I'm still wondering why lamia kaman(+1) is still as popular as it is. For much less you can buy a Goblin Cracker + Bib seashell + Aumoneire(+1) and gear swap them without losing tp.

On the cure cheat subject... if you were really trying to get the most out of it you would have a different cure cheat that considers your current mp. Thats if your finishing your cure in full enmity gear.


Edit: Does rdm really do that well on DI? I don't see how a decked rdm could compare to a decked pld/nin on DI if there doing it right.

[Mojo]

Please don't derail this thread.

Also, how would people rate the Iron Ram Hauberk set? My campaign rank is pitiful, but if those pieces are any good maybe I'll start doing that.

[Eanae]

Please pardon the stupidity/laziness, but what's the gear like for a DRK tank? Is it stupidly expensive/hard to get shit, or is it basic stuff like enmity and haste (ie, Homam and the like, probably with Ares body in there)? Kinda curious if I could try to pull this off (which would mean I would not, strictly, be melee onry any more.)

Homam/Ares's/Valhalla/Darksteel +1/Terra's Staff

[Raen Ryong]

All pieces can be used. How much use you get out of them depends on the rest of your gear. If you don't have really top tier gear then you'll find mileage out of all 5 pieces.

[Duber]

Idle (blocking, not meleeing): http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=141217

Shadow-casting: http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=141219

Some improvements for these sets could be addon legs with -pdt for idle and personally I use max shield skill combined with haste for :ichi due to longer cast time.

[Callisto]

For the most part wouldn't DRK tanking gear be pretty much identical to PLD tanking gear minus the shield+ pieces?

[Eanae]

Some improvements for these sets could be addon legs with -pdt for idle and personally I use max shield skill combined with haste for :ichi due to longer cast time.

enmity, hp, and cure +5% is a much better pld option then pdt legs. They're not a huge increase over darksteel+1 vs what the cure legs can give you.

[Mojo]

Some improvements for these sets could be addon legs with -pdt for idle and personally I use max shield skill combined with haste for :ichi due to longer cast time.

Yeah, I think I might go with this. You don't really 'need' max haste on Ichi anyways due to lower base recast, it's more about just getting it to cast, it seems.

[Dramafinderftw]

I'm guessing you thought he said NIN/DRK instead of DRK/NIN.

yaa oopsies