PLD Gear Discussion

[BerenTebogo]

I'm still wondering why lamia kaman(+1) is still as popular as it is. For much less you can buy a Goblin Cracker + Bib seashell + Aumoneire(+1) and gear swap them without losing tp.

On the cure cheat subject... if you were really trying to get the most out of it you would have a different cure cheat that considers your current mp. Thats if your finishing your cure in full enmity gear.


Edit: Does rdm really do that well on DI? I don't see how a decked rdm could compare to a decked pld/nin on DI if there doing it right.

This is a very good point. I have spellcast set to do full enmity on all cures on all targets at all time (only exception being fastcast for cure IV in a few slots)

Wouldn't be too hard to do an if mp less than xxx rule to force cure 3.

[Callisto]

enmity, hp, and cure +5% is a much better pld option then pdt legs. They're not a huge increase over darksteel+1 vs what the cure legs can give you.

Heh, you cut off my next question, I was looking at HP/Enm/PDT too for those for PLD and WAR.

[Eanae]

I never understood why people only use one shadow set. I have two seperate sets for ichi and ni. Full haste and a mix of pdt, haste, and shield gear. I use the full haste set when I'm sure I won't be hit, and the other set when I'm either not so sure, trying to get shadows back up after an aoe, or know for sure I will take a hit. It's much more efficient.

[Callisto]

This is a very good point. I have spellcast set to do full enmity on all cures on all targets at all time (only exception being fastcast for cure IV in a few slots)

Wouldn't be too hard to do an if mp less than xxx rule to force cure 3.

Yeah, my C3 is set to full enmity on everything but myself, for myself it's set to do HP cheat if I'm above 85%~(I think, forget the exact # I put it to) and just full enmity if I'm not.

[Gustave]

My ichi is based on shield > SIR > -phs... The only time you should be getting hit /nin is during ichi cast.


To Eanae... I haven't started the addon because I cannot decide what augments I want. I have the proper legs for w/e build and most of the choices are minor upgrades that would not save me inventory space. I've been thinking hard between -phys & cure potency vs cure potency & enmity.

[BerenTebogo]

Yeah, my C3 is set to full enmity on everything but myself, for myself it's set to do HP cheat if I'm above 85%~(I think, forget the exact # I put it to) and just full enmity if I'm not.

I just did a full enmity set and set it to cur*

Why not get the most out of those cure II's cally?!?!?!

[Tsuko_Asura]

For the most part wouldn't DRK tanking gear be pretty much identical to PLD tanking gear minus the shield+ pieces?

Pretty much. PDT/MDT, Ichi/Ni, and enmity(for Stun, LR, SE, etc) sets. With the exception of shield boosts in Ichi sets, everything should be pretty much identical.

[Callisto]

I just did a full enmity set and set it to cur*

Why not get the most out of those cure II's cally?!?!?!

All my non-C3s do full Enmity on all targets, I just meant that my C3 cheats when I need it to and not when I can get more enmity while healing the same amount.

[Gustave]

Eanae you should have a third Ichi set for DI !

To Sath: I was thinking more along the lines of losing the mp you gain from homam/turban etc because 4/5 iron ram and bmask.

[Duber]

DRK/NIN, not NIN/DRK.

And people have just come to understand that PLD's surviability really isn't anything special. DRK simply has more to offer against anything that can't be 100% DD-tanked(flying wyrms, things with regular hate-resets, etc).

Personally, I see PLD as a tank/DD hybrid(DRK, WAR, SAM obviously being better DD, and RDM being a better tank), and subsequently outdated.

While DD tanking can be more efficient if successfully performed, as Sath pointed out it is challenging, and that's not efficient.

Sure its fun and I will never restrict anyone from trying it out or doing it if they are good at it. But you can't generalize and say its better and everyone should do it because the higher risk minimizes the improvement in performance.

[Callisto]

To Sath: I was thinking more along the lines of losing the mp you gain from homam/turban etc because 4/5 iron ram and bmask.

I used to move some crap around to make up for that too, I ended up saying fuck it since anything I'd be fighting where it could matter I should have enough support to keep MP as much as I need to.

[Duber]

enmity, hp, and cure +5% is a much better pld option then pdt legs. They're not a huge increase over darksteel+1 vs what the cure legs can give you.

Cure potency indeed, that's why you can choose 2 augments D; I prefer -pdt% than enmity or HP for idle though.

[Tsuko_Asura]

While DD tanking can be more efficient if successfully performed, as Sath pointed out it is challenging, and that's not efficient.

Sure its fun and I will never restrict anyone from trying it out or doing it if they are good at it. But you can't generalize and say its better and everyone should do it because the higher risk minimizes the improvement in performance.

Nots not what Sath said.

And career NIN have been relying on shadows without the buffer of shield blocks for years. If someone can't do that on DRK(with Dread Spikes, mind you), its an issue of incompetence, nothing more.

Edit: And I would never assert that everyone, everywhere must change their gold standard overnight, but to say that its not always more efficient is simply untrue(keeping in mind that I acknowledged that things like DI don't apply).

[Gustave]

I used to move some crap around to make up for that too, I ended up saying fuck it since anything I'd be fighting where it could matter I should have enough support to keep MP as much as I need to.

Yea I do stuff like jump into spell menu after Chivalry and Cure4 once so I don't lose that mp. I'm sure I could setup a rule in spellcast to change idle set if mp > 400 or something.

[Duber]

Edit: And I would never assert that everyone, everywhere must change their gold standard overnight, but to say that its not always more efficient is simply untrue(keeping in mind that I acknowledged that things like DI don't apply).

Well, I agree that in some situations there are more efficient combos (I love drk/nin to hold KV for instance). Same way as lowmaning and manaburning many NMs is more efficient than old fashion alliances.

But still, for the most part, I believe pld is the most efficient tank since its the safest and has more survival tools.

For example I would never bring a pld to sky/sea/salvage/limbus/znm farms and such, but for HNMs or in general mobs you can't lowman and you need a real tank I think PLD is the most efficient since you minimize the risk of shit happening.

[Dramafinderftw]

For example I would never bring a pld to sky/sea/salvage/limbus/znm farms and such, but for HNMs or in general mobs you can't lowman and you need a real tank I think PLD is the most efficient since you minimize the risk of shit happening.

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[Tsuko_Asura]

Which tank is more survivable isn't really an issue when its so hard to actually die to things(even though its RDM, not PLD). The point is that the difference between killing a PLD/NIN with capped recasts and a DRK/NIN with capped recasts is virtually inconsequential. Beyond that, one deals more damage than the other, which is why they're more efficient.

tl;dr Burtgang vs Excalibur

[Therin]

Why bomb queen ring over blitz ring?

Touche, I forgot about that little gem. Changed it.

[Duber]

Which tank is more survivable isn't really an issue when its so hard to actually die to things(even though its RDM, not PLD). The point is that the difference between killing a PLD/NIN with capped recasts and a DRK/NIN with capped recasts is virtually inconsequential. Beyond that, one deals more damage than the other, which is why they're more efficient.

tl;dr Burtgang vs Excalibur

This may be true for a very very little percentage of players, but sadly, for the rest, it isn't.

PD: I asked for Burtgang on last bonanza ^^;

[Tsuko_Asura]

PD: I asked for Burtgang on last bonanza ^^;

Wish you would have told me you were a lost cause before I started trying to reason with you