Is it still to soon?

[Thorny]

The best solution would be dragon's Aery remnant though, with a permit to enter and 1/20 drop rates.

oh you

[jimbobsonofgod]

I think the best solution is to just hold bi-annual Draws , kind of like a lottery where you can buy "numbered" tickets where you can instead of camping NMs everyday you can instead take your chances at successfully guessing a random number for a shot at gear.

Wonder why they haven't though of that for a fix for their kings problem.

[Thorny]

are you seriously calling mog bonanza a solution to kings

shit's almost as bad as advocating tping in hydrabert

[Riki]

WoTG HNM's

How did those solve anything?
They are only worse to camp and still monopolized by the same Linkshells that have their hands on Kings/Tiamat/Cerberus for years.
Putting some of the most valuable items in the game on world spawns without an instanced alternative is the problem. And of course that FFXIs claim system sucks ass.

But as others already mentioned, at this point they won't change anything about those issues. That chance is long gone.

[Andradi]

are you seriously calling mog bonanza a solution to kings

shit's almost as bad as advocating tping in hydrabert

In terms of retardedness it's kind of a sidegrade, really.

[Bikpik]

IMO the only solution would be to have every piece of equipment buyable, either with a point system, like Einherjar, or straight Gil from a NPC(but stupidly expensive). This way if you don't want to buy, you can still camp, and HNM shells that still want to sell for cheaper, they can, but it also gives people the option to buy it themselves.

[Riki]

IMO the only solution would be to have every piece of equipment buyable, either with a point system, like Einherjar, or straight Gil from a NPC(but stupidly expensive). This way if you don't want to buy, you can still camp, and HNM shells that still want to sell for cheaper, they can, but it also gives people the option to buy it themselves.

What keeps you from buying from the Linkshells that monopolize for stupidly expensive prices?

[Bikpik]

What keeps you from buying from the Linkshells that monopolize for stupidly expensive prices?

Nothing, that's the point

[machiko]

They can't beat them so they should just make it with a system in that the mob pops in a status where everyone can get a claim on it for 5 seconds. After 5 seconds it is randomly allotted as claimed to one of the people that got a succesful claim on, really easy and would kill the dominance of botting. People could still use bots to afk attempt claim but since most mobs have windows it's not hard to pay attention for a small amount of time and would make it fair for everyone.

They won't change them however, it's been this way for a long long time, they are lazy, they don't really care and its a nice little timesink for a % of players. A lot of people don't actually camp kings to get the drops, they camp them to cockblock others getting them, for something to do or for the pleasure of killing/claiming over others. It's the only used form of PVP there is, especially for the proper botting shells that know they are gonna win over everyone else through use of a 3rd pt tool.

[Cairthenn]

In terms of retardedness it's kind of a sidegrade, really.

For some it's even an upgrade.

[jimbobsonofgod]

are you seriously calling mog bonanza a solution to kings

shit's almost as bad as advocating tping in hydrabert

Well I guess it beats how they solved dynamis upgrades by throwing drops into campaign

[Olo401]

Err.. most real endgame linkshells don't camp kings because they have the shit already.

[Thorny]

Err.. most real endgame linkshells don't camp kings because they have the shit already.

barring the fact that a nidhogg claim is worth >15mil average and a fafnir claim is worth about 3m average, sure

i mean, the super serious endgame shells that are too good for kings are passing them up to focus on relics, why would they want to go to one of the most profitable places around

(this isn't to say that kings > insert lowmannable profit/hr thing, but as far as all-inclusive stuff your entire ls can participate in it's pretty good on most servers)

[Olo401]

barring the fact that a nidhogg claim is worth >15mil average and a fafnir claim is worth about 3m average, sure

i mean, the super serious endgame shells that are too good for kings are passing them up to focus on relics, why would they want to go to one of the most profitable places around

(this isn't to say that kings > insert lowmannable profit/hr thing, but as far as all-inclusive stuff your entire ls can participate in it's pretty good on most servers)

That's true.. I wasn't looking at it from that POV. Then again when I was in endgame my ls made its money from other things.. We did camp kings, just not as faithfully as say Tiamat.

Edit: Bahamut v2 is a ridiculous money maker too.. We actually made it a weekly LS event to do UG so that we'd have a regular flow of evokers aside from the ones we got from running ENMs & mercs.

[pchan]

barring the fact that a nidhogg claim is worth >15mil average and a fafnir claim is worth about 3m average, sure

15M every 4 nidhogg claim, which is 2 weeks ?, split into 15 people = shit.

[Thorny]

(this isn't to say that kings > insert lowmannable profit/hr thing, but as far as all-inclusive stuff your entire ls can participate in it's pretty good on most servers)

take exodus on remora for example, they have a 60-70% claim rate, nid every ~5 days(was average ever shown for this?), 5 day cycle worth 27m on average, single day worth 5.4m, 60% = 3.24m, divide by 20 people = 162k for 2 hours or 81k/h

is this spectacular gil by any standards? no. selling salvage gear, ra/ex, soloing enms, znms, sky, sea, etc will all shit all over it(sometimes by over 5x)
I'd love to see a better method you can smoothly reproduce while including your entire linkshell though.. inb4 some idiot says znm before considering the time it takes to gather all the plates. ZNM is only practical for gil if you can farm PW reliably.

[pchan]

80k / h is what a clever player can farm solo if it has THF75.

[Mojo]

There's a reason why king abjurations drop in Einherjar. They're not gonna change it.

[Brutala]

I don't know how things are on other servers, but I got a Dring on Hades without ever having personally claimed anything HQ except one KB back when I wasn't even first on the ring. Not all HNMLSs demand that every member use a bot. Even if they did, I don't see how it would make any item not accessible to everyone. If the ffxiah people bazaaring Drings are serious, you can indeed buy anything. Don't have much time to play, KB windows too erratic? Have 50-75 mil lying around? Phone + laptop. Problem solved. There's a fucking reason for gil existing. Saying that a longass window and some botters are the reason you don't have a Ridill is just as retarded as saying that getting a relic by (ab)using a whole LSs time and effort makes it more or less legit than just flat out buying all the currency and R/Es. You can't do absolutely everything in the game. Do what you do best. Trade for what you want.

80k / h is what a clever player can farm solo if it has THF75.

I still wish my ls sold most/all kings gear though. The 75 THF isn't afk doing other stuff in 30-60min intervals.

[ronin sparthos]

ZNM was the solution according to SE for those who wanted a more regimented timeframe to fight HNM and get their hands on loot that is on par as rare as 3kings etc. Time and time again people bitch that it isn't good because you have farm zeni and kill shit to get to T4 (because 3hr aery camps are more productive and people thought SE would let you force load mobs better than Cerb lol)

You have clear winners (hachiryu), clear losers (foolkillers), valuable sellables, an eventual endgame challenge (warden) and the ability to turn things in on your own time (plates). The ideal HNM system by far.

It isn't going to get better than this sadly, ever. Even worse, few shells can even beat the harder forms of Hydra/Cerb/Khim so in that aspect the ZNM system has turned into mainly a side dish for shells that camp things often. I suspect SE intended people to create ZNM shells dedicated to this path of endgame but as to be expected, the power of sheep is strong in FFXI.

Fomor NMs are also another SE experiment where they decided to lower the pop times but in turn also lower the drop rates. If they ever decided to change kings to a more frequent pop style expect the same treatment fomors got - a significantly lower drop rate on valuables.