lv99 bitch/speculation/etc thread

[Draylo]

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5-3% haste, Jumps, and a bonus 10 Acc/Attk < Sneak Attack

Everything I ever thought I knew was a lie

No not always. Like I said sub thf has good uses. Some fights you aren't going to pull that off

[Draylo]

The clarification really isn't necessary. As retarded an argument it is to be having, /DRG is going to > /THF for anyone who should be swinging a weapon at anything "high-end".

Bullshit, try that on blue let me know how it works out.

[Tsuko_Asura]

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No not always. Like I said sub thf has good uses. Some fights you aren't going to pull that off

I would adore hearing an example or two of when Sneak Attack is going to deal more damage than everything /DRG has to offer.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Bullshit, try that on blue let me know how it works out.

Nobody Other Than You Is Talking About Blue Mage

[Draylo]

I would adore hearing an example or two of when Sneak Attack is going to deal more damage than everything /DRG has to offer.

Already gave an example with ultima also on things you don't wanna feed tp.

[ZhiGaruda]

That's what PLD, NIN and RDM are for.

/thf is a good SJ for big fights, especially for SAM.

This line of thinking is what is holding you back. Last night at Khimaira, we had 2 PLD/NIN's, me on SAM/NIN, and a SAM/THF. Guess who was tanking the majority of the fight? Me. Was I taking any damage? No more than either of the PLD's, with the added benefit of parrying and Seigan/Third eye if he went a bit double attack happy.

SAM is a fantastic tank. Mob's like Khimaira, who have a 1/2 resist for Atonement, is so much better to tank with SAM's, it's not even funny.

Wow seriously? Sub thf is very good for blu. I can think of a lot more situations where it would shine over other subs from spike dmg and hate management. Ultima to name one, dumb to even suggest thf is a bad sub.

I did say it belongs on BLU, my comment said I wasn't sure if that was still good or not, because who uses BLU in end game? Lulz

No reason to need /THF for Ultima..you're just limiting damage potential by waiting 60 seconds.

[Draylo]

Nobody Other Than You Is Talking About Blue Mage

Why exclude blue?

[Tsuko_Asura]

Alright, I'll try this one more time.

Plenty of people are absolutely retarded, as well. What's your point? /THF, if it belongs on ANY job, is for BLU only. I'm not even sure if that is still currently good. Any other job that is considering subbing THF would be better off /WAR, /SAM or /NIN. 600 damage every 20 seconds > 900 every 60.

/thf is a good SJ for big fights, especially for SAM.

Hope you realize I'm talking about SAM since he specifically mentionned SAM.

SAM/DRG will trump SAM/THF past the first minute on anything "high"

But the comment applies to a lot of job.

The clarification really isn't necessary. As retarded an argument it is to be having, /DRG is going to > /THF for anyone who should be swinging a weapon at anything "high-end".

Nobody is excluding blue mage, the topic is excluding blue mage. We're discussing melee jobs, and in terms of what we're talking about fighting, blue mage acts as a mage. Learn to read or go the fuck away.

[ZhiGaruda]

Why exclude blue?

I exclude BLU because as I said, it is the only job it can truely maximize potential. It's utterly useless for EVERYTHING else.

[Draylo]

I disagree, it's a viable sub when you want to manage hat and not feed Tp.

[sruon]

I give up.

[Tsuko_Asura]

/towel

[Draylo]

You tell me how sub drg pulls ahead of thf in that scenario.

[sruon]

What scenario? Ultima BLU/THF?

You want the obvious answer?

Change to another fucking job.

[ZhiGaruda]

I disagree, it's a viable sub when you want to manage hat and not feed Tp.

Why was I spamming F5 for this?

Most people don't realize how TP works, which is why people are afraid to feed TP. 2 PLD/NIN's meleeing a mob with 3 BLM's nuking will give a mob 100% TP in like 4 attack rounds (each PLD) and 1 nuke each (BLM's). So basically ~15 seconds per 100% TP.

Above 25% HP, mob's don't force TP usage. They can sit on 300 TP for 30+ seconds. There is no reason whatsoever to be afraid of TP feed, especially when most newer mobs have TP regain anyways, it's completely null. More damage > less

[konoko]

I would adore hearing an example or two of when Sneak Attack is going to deal more damage than everything /DRG has to offer.

Turtle KSNM99: 2 SAM/THF's meditate for TP to SA Skillchain to open MB every time it rests

[ZhiGaruda]

You tell me how sub drg pulls ahead of thf in that scenario.

SAM/DRG will always trump SAM/THF. If you don't understand why, maybe take off the beer goggles and really think about it. /THF only forces a crit. On Gekko the damage increase isn't exactly stellar. I'll go back to my example of Khimaira last night. SAM/THF's Gekko averaged ~850, every 60 seconds.

My /NIN was doing anywhere from 450-650, always going at exactly 100TP, and doing probably 4x the WS's as the /THF.

Personally I don't use /DRG for end-game events. The hate shed from high jump isn't enough in most situations to keep the mob off you, high jump's timer just isn't often enough, and 25% hate loss doesn't equate to safety for more than ~2 weapon skills.

[ZhiGaruda]

Turtle KSNM99: 2 SAM/THF's meditate for TP to SA Skillchain to open MB every time it rests

Or not be /THF and have it work just as well?

Also, why would anyone do Turtle KSNM99? Wyrm exists.

[sruon]

Turtle KSNM99: 2 SAM/THF's meditate for TP to SA Skillchain to open MB every time it rests

Any job can do that, with any sub, and if you're only opening a skillchain you're not going to exactly care about the final results.

, high jump's timer just isn't often enough, and 25% hate loss doesn't equate to safety for more than ~2 weapon skills.

It's 50% afaik :D

[ZhiGaruda]

Any job can do that, with any sub, and if you're only opening a skillchain you're not going to exactly care about the final results.



It's 50% afaik :D

Technically it's 33%, 50% with AFv2 legs on DRG only. My mistake. Even then, ~2-3 weapon skills. /NIN is vastly superior for survivability.