lv99 bitch/speculation/etc thread

[Khajit]

Did i just hear the word TANK in your argument vs KIRIN?
Brotip: if you have hate vs kirin in a kiting setup just kite it yourself until you lose it.

[FailureMidgard]

/rng, wtf.

and SATA adds more bonus than overwhelm on high end mobs, so I guess that's meaningles bullshit amount of damage? brb, deleting my overwhelm merits for 5/5 shikikoyo.

It's pretty clear by this statement you have no idea what any of us are talking about. Total damage. Thanks for playing. Yes, SA is a bigger increase to a single hit than overwhelm, but you should be WSing at least 3 times per minute (that's in a target-swapping scenario...4-5 per minute otherwise). Your SA is dogshit garbage compared to that.

I stated quite clearly that that not everyone has access to backline support like that. not every shell has 900000 BRDs who come to every event, most people who I know who have BRD lv'd

Then go fucking level it. I guess "my whole shell is usless" is in fact a good argument to be useless though.

Come another job? like what? some people only have 1-2 DDs at 75, and SAM is going to be better at killing hnm than another job.
You're grossly underestimating what a decent player can do with SATA.

So level another job....brd, blm, cor, smn, rng, the list goes on. You're grossly overestimating the value of 1 fucking WS per minute.

Stop being a fucking tool and think of things outside of double march/haste with capped equipment and a relic.

Relic isn't even good with the support you're talking about, so uhh, ok? One bard and 1 mage is not asking for a lot. Go to Alla or something where people care about your 18 DD allies in dynamis that rely mnk/dncs as support.

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note the buffs... hasso, SATA, sub... and no Hate from it, because I dumped it all on the 2nd tank.

I dont see how this is bad. It's a little 2004, but still the best way to go about things in some circumstances.

since SATA such a pitiful dmg boost, I'll wait here for failure to post SAM/DRG doing more dmg?

It's not about damage per weaponskill. Who gives a flying fuck. Go get on War/thf and do a 300TP steel cyclone if you want epeen #s. Warriors Charge too. WOOHOO. Point is it's pathetic total damage, as in, on a parse. Big grats on no hate for it.

[Konda]

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It's pretty clear by this statement you have no idea what any of us are talking about. Total damage. Thanks for playing. Yes, SA is a bigger increase to a single hit than overwhelm, but you should be WSing at least 3 times per minute (that's in a target-swapping scenario...4-5 per minute otherwise). Your SA is dogshit garbage compared to that.

I'd love to see how you're going to do 4-5 WS per min on a kited kirin. you're not even reading the points I'm making. I stated that that /THF wasn't the best when you have support and are able to do several WS per min. 2per min and you can split SA and TA effectively and reduce a lot of your enmity by gaining no hate from 1 of them. this leaves 1 big WS per min which you'd gain hate from, but a tank should be able to mange that, and if it can't you need to be able to read your hate a bit better. /drg is obviously better for reducing CE since it has a JA that directly reduces your CE, whereas /thf can just reduce the rate at which you gain it, depending on how often you are weaponskilling and how you are using SATA.




Then go fucking level it. I guess "my whole shell is usless" is in fact a good argument to be useless though.

I did, I lv'd COR, and I quit the shitty shell once I got the stuff I was after from sky.


So level another job....brd, blm, cor, smn, rng, the list goes on. You're grossly overestimating the value of 1 fucking WS per minute.

same as above

Relic isn't even good with the support you're talking about, so uhh, ok? One bard and 1 mage is not asking for a lot. Go to Alla or something where people care about your 18 DD allies in dynamis that rely mnk/dncs as support.

I want to know where you're finding so many ppl who love playing brd. The group I run with now is much better, but the brds are usually 2box'd since lowman. but in my various sky shells that i've been in over the years, backline support (espeically brds) were very rare and went to the tank pt first.

It's not about damage per weaponskill. Who gives a flying fuck. Go get on War/thf and do a 300TP steel cyclone if you want epeen #s. Warriors Charge too. WOOHOO. Point is it's pathetic total damage, as in, on a parse. Big grats on no hate for it.

I agree, but if you're only doing 1-2 WS per min for whatever reason, /thf is going to win that argument.

Don't apply a blanket statement to something like SJ selection to HNM events. You of all people should know shit's situational. just because you find yourself in a situation where /thf isnt optimal, doesnt mean it's not optimal for "allah alliances" as you put it.



now stop derailing my thread

[Yugl]

now stop derailing my thread

Ya, a LV99 bitch thread would be up your ally wouldn't it?

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Can't help but win.

[konoko]

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Fight Khimaira more!

Why do you fight this worthless HNM?

Seveneyes = Useless
Hauteclair = Useless

normally drops nothing, and if you say that its to sell the aforementioned items to some stupid player with allot of gil, 24hour window every 3 days and an abysmal droprate make this a horrible time/gil investment.

[Fiarlia]

Seveneyes really that useless?

I have one back from when
1) I did HNM stuff
2) Khimaira was new

I mean, I know it's not ground breaking or anything, but I macro it into statless spells like Refresh, Haste, Regen, -na's, Erase... that kind of stuff. I wouldn't go out of my way to get one if I didn't already have it, but I imagine if you've got one, it's not completely useless to make use of it. Are you saying I'd be better off tossing it?

Also, town gear.

Edit: clarifying I'm not flaming or nitpicking. Honestly wanting to know if you'd lulz at me, or anyone else who had one from long ago for using it.

[Militant]

I'm not a PLD but haute is really that useless? I have no idea.

[ronin sparthos]

Seveneyes really that useless?

I have one back from when
1) I did HNM stuff
2) Khimaira was new

I mean, I know it's not ground breaking or anything, but I macro it into statless spells like Refresh, Haste, Regen, -na's, Erase... that kind of stuff. I wouldn't go out of my way to get one if I didn't already have it, but I imagine if you've got one, it's not completely useless to make use of it. Are you saying I'd be better off tossing it?

Also, town gear.

Edit: clarifying I'm not flaming or nitpicking. Honestly wanting to know if you'd lulz at me, or anyone else who had one from long ago for using it.

Khim is pretty much camped because his items both have unique skins which people pay a pretty penny to walk around with. If Hauteclaire was a standard Gladius model and Seveneyes an Ash Club lookalike, no one would care for those drops.

Seveneyes had a brief stint as being undisputed for its Conserve MP but then Fourth Mace came out, didn't require weeks of camping and pretty much did the same thing.

Hauteclaire has limited uses but in a game where the point is to not get hit as a tank, Joyeuse making Atonement awesome and then Soulsaber being able to get close in -PDT%... Khimaira is content camped just because everyone else is doing it.

[Darkmagi]

use for /thf on sam: trioing Nosferatu sa gekko >zone, etc. Only thing I can think of.

[Corrderio]

I'm probably going to regret it, but what happened to /THF for Dark Ixion?

Khimaira is content camped just because people are willing to pay large amounts for a VERY situational sword.

FTFY.

[orson]

@Ronin I think you meant convert for Seveneyes as well, no? Fourth is still a fair a bit lower CMP though the effort for Seveneyes isn't worth it at all. Though I guess that's the game for a lot of people, now-a-days huge time sinks for tiny situational upgrades.

[Baelorn]

I'm probably going to regret it, but what happened to /THF for Dark Ixion?

People were posting "DD TANK EVERYTHING!" after just about every post featuring a PLD tank for a few weeks so I imagine they're all /NIN now.

[Tricen]

Oh how I miss healing Ironguy on Dark Ixion.

[sruon]

I'm probably going to regret it, but what happened to /THF for Dark Ixion?


FTFY.

It died when peopled realized it wasn't effiscient.

[Akyrey90]

Seveneyes isnt useless:it's situational yeah,but it's worth it!

I mean, I know it's not ground breaking or anything, but I macro it into statless spells like Refresh, Haste, Regen, -na's, Erase... that kind of stuff. I wouldn't go out of my way to get one if I didn't already have it, but I imagine if you've got one, it's not completely useless to make use of it.

this is right,it's like having an abj HQ or NQ,it's not like it will break anything,but it's still an improvement!

[ronin sparthos]

I'm probably going to regret it, but what happened to /THF for Dark Ixion?


FTFY.

Coming from the boards that once seriously argued the value or time v. reward for Sheep in Antlions Clothing and other ENMs - Khimaira is a horrible time/reward ratio solely for the purpose of selling Hauteclaire.

It's not even like Fafnir or the other HNMs with sellables where you may get the Ridill mixed in with an Nhead or something your LS may want... it's either Hauteclaire or a hosed payday.

Seveneyes is a good club for the reasons mentioned above but yes, Fourth Mace hosed the awesome factor of having one.

To each his own though.

[Draylo]

No point in arguing with them, they don't see the obvious fact that /thf has its uses on a DD that isn't for farming.

[ZhiGaruda]

Why do you fight this worthless HNM?

Seveneyes = Useless
Hauteclair = Useless

normally drops nothing, and if you say that its to sell the aforementioned items to some stupid player with allot of gil, 24hour window every 3 days and an abysmal droprate make this a horrible time/gil investment.

Seveneyes = situationally the best
Hauteclaire = situationally the best

As with almost every item in this game, they have their respective uses. Just because you don't have the time/resources to aquire said items (neither do I, but you don't see me being a bitch about it like you) doesn't mean you have to mark them as useless.

You're just like all the people who say LOLRIDILL when it has been proven time and time again to be the best weapon in many situations, and is only down-talked by those who cannot obtain it.

Also: How is it horrible time/gil investment to sit a couple of mules at a camp with a bot to spam in LS when it pops? Sounds like a pretty cool way to get 20+ mill. Or 40mill if you take into account our last buyer.

[Fiarlia]

So to actually be on topic....

I was kind of expecting the Trials of the Magians to let us augment and upgrade previously existing weapons and armor, which would carry us to the new cap. I was expecting them to do that over making an asston of new gear making everything obsolete.

Since this first Magian line is only letting us augment a few weapons, almost all of them newly created for it, what do you think the likelihood of current stuff becoming obsolete?

I never would have thought it possible before... but now ijdk.

[Damane]

So to actually be on topic....

I was kind of expecting the Trials of the Magians to let us augment and upgrade previously existing weapons and armor, which would carry us to the new cap. I was expecting them to do that over making an asston of new gear making everything obsolete.

Since this first Magian line is only letting us augment a few weapons, almost all of them newly created for it, what do you think the likelihood of current stuff becoming obsolete?

I never would have thought it possible before... but now ijdk.

I would actually appreciate it, with the ecxeption of relic/mythic weapons, that are integrated into magian trials, everything else can seriously go to hell. Its time to leave the Dragons aery area once and for all time.