lv99 bitch/speculation/etc thread

**Kohan** · 2010-02-28 20:09

Originally Posted by Kilhart

Backhand Blow = wife-beating

Or Jeet Kune Do, which you could've mentioned since you referred to Wing Chun, and mixed martial arts in general.

**Nevex** · 2010-02-28 20:09

Originally Posted by ClassicRed

We can level to 99 now. You can now defeat X HNMs/NMs without any real challenge. Yes this is a major upgrade....

No not really this is how you make a game boring -- Now If its done right I have nothing to bitch about but if SE fails as they have in the past then this is no upgrade at all. Everything else that was talked about is major win imo ~ This is the only part I honestly cant decide if Im happy about or not.

Challenge = defeating anything for the first time, second time onwards it's already stressful. I've already had my share of wasted hours and exp on Tiamat/DI/SW/Nid/Cerb/Khim/whatever, so I don't care if they become another Roc or KA equivalent.
Give me level 100 HNMs that don't just use the usual 4-5 TP moves, that would be a new and refreshing challenge.

**Sho** · 2010-02-28 20:11

Originally Posted by Kilhart

Backhand Blow = wife-beating
(edited for clarity)

I see what you did there.

**Karbuncle** · 2010-02-28 20:11

Originally Posted by ClassicRed

We can level to 99 now. You can now defeat X HNMs/NMs without any real challenge. Yes this is a major upgrade....

No not really this is how you make a game boring -- Now If its done right I have nothing to bitch about but if SE fails as they have in the past then this is no upgrade at all. Everything else that was talked about is major win imo ~ This is the only part I honestly cant decide if Im happy about or not.

I wasn't really aware any "HNMs" were challenging in the first place? You know considering any pick up group of Blueberry PLDs can kill just about any HNM in the game.

Sure, they're becoming EASIER by raising the cap to 99, but this is by no means suddenly turning endgame upside down, the hardest part has been and will continue to be claiming.

and on top of that they're going to be adding buttloads of new HNMs you people act like Dragon's Aery is the final zone, I for one am happy to wave goodbye to three hours of boiling in a hot tree waiting for something to pop purple and welcome my new zones of purple popping mobs.

Ultimately though, i'm looking forward to being a 99PLD/49RDM and becoming an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction...

**NynJa** · 2010-02-28 20:12

Originally Posted by Aksannyi

Yeah, maybe like a 5 level upgrade, not 24 levels. Holy fuck, it's one thing to shock the hell out of us in the first place by raising the level cap but by raising it as much as they're doing in such a short time frame? Holy fuck is all I can say to that.

Doesnt seem like that big of a time frame >.>

06/25/2002 First Players Reach Level 50 (discovery of level cap)
~3 months
09/12/2002 The Level Cap is raised to 55.
~2 months
11/26/2002 Level Cap Raised to 60
~5 months
04/15/2003 The level cap now became 65.
~3 months
07/17/2003 Level 70 Unleashed
~5 months
12/16/2003 Level Cap 75

Bear in mind back then, the xp needed to level was higher than it is now, there were less viable camps, and a "good" xp pt was rolling at like 5k/hr.

**ClassicRed** · 2010-02-28 20:14

Originally Posted by Nevex

Challenge = defeating anything for the first time, second time onwards it's already stressful. I've already had my share of wasted hours and exp on Tiamat/DI/SW/Nid/Cerb/Khim/whatever, so I don't care if they become another Roc or KA equivalent.
Give me level 100 HNMs that don't just use the usual 4-5 TP moves, that would be a new and refreshing challenge.

I still find all those fights fun and interesting. Although to be fair I have never actually been in a hard core HNM shell so I've never gotten burned out on any of that part of the game.

As for new HNMs they can implement new HNMs without raising level cap to 99 (Again Im all for a level 80 cap), I just feel 99 is a bit much at this stage of the game and in such a short time frame.

**Vodou** · 2010-02-28 20:14

Originally Posted by Spira

actually only in Taekwondo.. black is the highest, but its also split into 9 dans (ranks).

as for Karate, there are levels after Black. Black is usually also split up into different dans there. But after black i think some do red, and others even go back to white. It really depends on which school you're in.

In Judo, red is top. IIRC levels 7-10 are red, 1-6 are black for 10 degrees.

**Gredival** · 2010-02-28 20:15

Originally Posted by Nevex

Challenge = defeating anything for the first time, second time onwards it's already stressful. I've already had my share of wasted hours and exp on Tiamat/DI/SW/Nid/Cerb/Khim/whatever, so I don't care if they become another Roc or KA equivalent.
Give me level 100 HNMs that don't just use the usual 4-5 TP moves, that would be a new and refreshing challenge.

So that gives you 100 HNMs before you get bored again by your standards. The only way not to be stressful by your standards is to have WoW End Game where content cycles constantly.

I'm not going to indicate that's a superior or inferior way to conduct MMO end game but it is definitely radically different. It goes beyond FFXI having a major update it would be changing it's core experience and structure.

**ClassicRed** · 2010-02-28 20:16

Originally Posted by Karbuncle

and on top of that they're going to be adding buttloads of new HNMs you people act like Dragon's Aery is the final zone, I for one am happy to wave goodbye to three hours of boiling in a hot tree waiting for something to pop purple and welcome my new zones of purple popping mobs.

I've honestly only stepped into that zone maybe 15x's in my 6yrs of playing. Twice being to watch someone get excal other was accident.

**Kohan** · 2010-02-28 20:18

Originally Posted by Sho

I see what you did there.

Actually, I do now, as well. Should've realized it the first time, considering my comment.

**Karbuncle** · 2010-02-28 20:18

Originally Posted by ClassicRed

I've honestly only stepped into that zone maybe 15x's in my 6yrs of playing. Twice being to watch someone get excal other was accident.

Not entirely directed at you. =0 a lot of complaints are based around old content becoming obsolete, not all, but alot =\.

There will be tons of new NMs, apparently a good amount with each update this year, at least 1 HNM per.

**Lebzile** · 2010-02-28 20:22

So..

Who's up for some Lv99 Ballista/Brenner?!

And the bitching about the level cap is getting old, I'm actually thinking about coming back now.

**Aksannyi** · 2010-02-28 20:27

Originally Posted by NynJa

Doesnt seem like that big of a time frame >.>

Considering the amount of time the game has been around, comparatively, it's a very short time frame for such sweeping changes. I really don't have the faith in SE to do this without really screwing up. Also, it just really irks me that they said so many times over that they would never, ever raise the cap, and now not only are they raising it, they're raising it by a whopping 24 levels.

I think there were plenty of people content with the game to remain at 75 but wouldn't have minded a trip to 80. It seems less drastic. Think about it. Getting to 99 is going to be a damn daunting task.

I honestly think a less drastic change would have been better. I'll be sticking around and watching as it unfolds but I don't know how they're going to pull this off.

**Kilhart** · 2010-02-28 20:27

Hay gaiz I think I figured out why FFXI updates/expansions are so half-assed

http://mmogchart.com/Chart7_files/Su...3_image001.png

Square-Enix standalone game releases, 2002-2009

Spoiler: show

Blizzard standalone game releases, 2002-2009

Spoiler: show

Square-Enix net income: ~$1.5 billion
Blizzard net income: ~$2 billion

Edit: fixed Blizzard net income.

**Nightraid** · 2010-02-28 20:28

Originally Posted by Lamp

Im not ashamed now to admit i made a huge mistake in selling my account, im kicking myself as i will never get to experience this awesome new content..

This

I just got rid of mine over a week ago now im extremely annoyed i did, guess i wont be trying this new content out.

**Kipling** · 2010-02-28 20:29

Originally Posted by Nightraid

This

I just got rid of mine over a week ago now im extremely annoyed i did, guess i wont be trying this new content out.

Who is that in your avatar?

**Nightraid** · 2010-02-28 20:32

Originally Posted by Uryuu

Who is that in your avatar?

Cumdumpster from /b/
Only hot one ive seen.

**Lucavi** · 2010-02-28 20:35

Originally Posted by Leb

So..

Who's up for some Lv99 Ballista/Brenner?!

And the bitching about the level cap is getting old, I'm actually thinking about coming back now.

Signed, stamped and delivered. Bring on the Ballista and Brenner. I want to see some level 119 postens ass raping with meteor and comet spam.

**blowfin** · 2010-02-28 20:41

Originally Posted by Kilhart

Hay gaiz I think I figured out why FFXI updates/expansions are so half-assed

Square-Enix standalone game releases, 2002-2009

Spoiler: show

Most of those games are just published by SE. That list is a lot shorter if you only include games developed AND published by SE.

**Stromgarde** · 2010-02-28 20:45

Re: Urat - The campaign WS are not evenly distributed; Going off of Altana View, here's what we have to work with:
Taru:
Staff - Death Knell (AoE Doom)
Staff - Tartarus Torpor (AoE Damage + Sleep & Magic Evasion down)
Mithra:
Marksmanship: Bloody Quarrel (Single hit, drains HP)
Hand to Hand: Leonine Legflaill (dragon kick-ish, cone AoE)
Archery: Soulfetter Arrow (Knockback, Cone AoE)
1H edged weapon: ??? (5 hits)
1H edged weapon: ??? (1 hit)
Hume Female:
2H weapon (staff?): ??? (1 hit, possibly AoE?)
Hume Male:
Great Katana: Ianuki (1 hit, conal wind damage)
Sword: Glory Slash (AoE)
Great Sword: Warden of Terror (AoE, Terror)
Elvaan Female:
Sword: Prominence (conal fire damage)
Archery: Arrow of Apathy (conal damage + paralyze)
Polearm: Unknown (1 hit) (does Achtelle have a unique WS?)
Elvaan Male:
Uriel Blade: AoE Light Elemental Damage
Polearm: Volant Angon: ??? (It's a direct damage ability, ranged and one hit)
Great Sword: Spine Chiller (AoE Ice Damage + Paralyze)
Sword: Cruel Ripose - HP drain
Galka:
Axe: Bloody Tomahawk (1 hit, ranged) similar to Volant Angon
Napalm Tomahawk - AoE
Hand to Hand - ??? (similar looking to Ascetic's Fury)
Hand to Hand - ??? (Looks like an AoE Dragon Kick)

So we have the following:
2-3 Staff WS
3 Hand to Hand
2 Archery
1 Marksmanship
1 Great Katana
0-2 Dagger
1-2 Polearm
2-4 Sword
2 Great Sword
and 2 Axe, leaving everyone else out in the cold.

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