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  1. #881
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    I don't think higher tier elegy and march would be problems at all. For elegy, they can just make the higher level shit attack twice as fast as we are used to, so that they are difficult without that massacre elegy/slow 3/whatever.

    For march, so what? Magic haste caps out eventually. All that adding march3/haste2/etc. would do is let you reach the cap without needing EVERY haste buff; free up one or both song slots for other songs, whatever.

  2. #882
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    In a world where Haste II automatically caps Magical Haste, people use double minuet

  3. #883
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    I am almost 100% certain we'll get another Minuet or two, but I don't know about Madrigal. Static attack boosts will have to get larger and larger to matter, as level corrected cRatio (your attack/target's defense) is what is fed into pDIF. I'm really not sure if COR will get any new rolls at all between 75 and 99. They're out of jobs, and generally their buffs give bonuses in the effective currency of the stat (so + Accuracy, Evasion, +% Attack, etc).

    As it is designed right now Player Accuracy keeps pace pretty well with Monster Evasion. So our current Madrigals are already sufficient as long as they don't nerf the level to skill relationship past 75. Same deal with Mambo. They can give them to us if they want, but it'll mess up the COR = BRD balance on those stats and be a little broken.

    If they did give us another March around 20% Haste (or if Victory March caps up there), we'd be looking at 43.33% from magic, 10% from Haste Samba (or maybe 15% from a potential Haste Samba II), and 25% from gear. Assuming Hasso (and /SAM in general) is no longer viable due to 400 damage hits and a failure on SE's part to adequately adjust the game to compensate, then we'd be looking at about the same amount of Haste we have right now. In short, I think it's unlikely, but I guess I don't think a Magic-Haste-capping March is entirely unreasonable.

  4. #884
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    I think the point of having a better march is to be able to cap magic haste with the best BRD March + the spell Haste, freeing up BRD's to use a second song instead of March/March. Not capping magic haste from BRD alone, as that's a waste of a song if a WHM, RDM, /WHM or /RDM can finish capping it for you.

    Hell, even if they don't touch Marches, the possibilty of a Haste II for maining WHM or RDM may make the same situation possible. Reaching cap through one March would be nice.

  5. #885
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    Traits for three songs/three rolls maybe.

    For BRD particularly, that you need to double up on certain songs (Ballad for example) just to match the potency of what other jobs can do with one buff, higher tiers really shouldn't be a problem. If there's a Refresh II, a Ballad III should be a given.

    Could also diversify songs n' rolls with entirely new ones such as Regain or PDT. COR can always get another round of job rolls.

  6. #886
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocl View Post
    In a world where Haste II automatically caps Magical Haste, people use double minuet
    This would likely kill bard for DNC.

  7. #887
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilanderr View Post
    Whats a standing macro precious?

    If you are a smart blm you can make good use of the ring, and I agree that 99% of people who do use this ring are complete twats.

    It frustrates me beyond belief when I see a blm die with any staff other than earth/terra's on
    I'm the only BLM in my group of shells that flips back to Earth Staff, -PDF Tatsumaki Speed Pants, and some lolEvasion gear from Igqira in my idle set. But like I said, I don't mind the GOOD BLMS losing this ring if it means the retards get discouraged from using it.

    Now , and this guy is by no means representative of most people I play with, but one guy we know has twinked his BLM to do more damage than pretty much all of us, uses the ring, and has maxed +Enmity merits. 1 Nuke and its faceplant city. And in situations where BLM hate bounce is necessary, most other BLMs need 2-3 nukes just to rip hate.


    Oh, and just to add on, anytime I see either A) A BLM that faceplants after every nuke or B) A BLM that throws a massive emo rage hissy fit if someone accidentally cures him cause he has no hp down set ... I get sneaky and slip a Regen on them when they're not paying attention.

  8. #888
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilanderr View Post
    As a relic holder and currently wanting to upgrade a mythic (Yagrush) I'm sort of concerned about this level cap upgrade. I know it will take quite awhile for this to be implemented but meh.

    Also all the little goals that I used to have may be screwed over..but I suppose the new gear that could potentially be coming in may make my goals a little easier to handle and deal with so we'll see.

    I must admit that is it very hard to take this update and not get all agitated and go crazy but I'll calm down and wing it when I can.

    Also I have college to think about...I don't want to go crazy over all this new content! I was happy NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo
    Why the concern? SE stated that the Trials of Magians will allow players to enhance their current relics/mythics and I am sure that there will be specific upgradeable options only available to be added to mythic/relics than regular weapons. They already said +Damage and -Delay will be amongst the normal options.

  9. #889
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    A long, long time ago...
    I can still remember
    How that XP used to make me smile.
    And I knew if I had my chance
    That I could make those players prance
    And, maybe, they'd be happy for a while.

    But February made me shiver
    With every Level, I did quiver.
    Bad news on the live feed;
    I just wanted, to bleed.

    I can't remember if I cried
    When I read about the death of the Monk's pride
    But something touched me deep inside
    The day the level cap died.

    So bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Did you write the Brady Guide?
    And do you have faith that Faffy will die,
    If the Guide tells you so?
    Do you believe in rock n'roll,
    Can music save your character's soul,
    And can you teach me how to rage real slow?

    Well, I know that you're in love with it
    `cause I saw that frown of yours split.
    You both took off your gear
    Man, I really fucking need a beer

    I was a lonely teenage high school grad
    With a crummy job and a fucked up dad
    But I knew I was out of luck
    The day the level cap died

    I started singing;
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Now for eight years we've been doing the same
    And AV sits there ready to claim,
    But that's not how it used to be.
    When Gamefaqs sang for the development team,
    In a picture they borrowed from a stupid scheme
    And a voice that came from you and me,

    Oh, and while the development team was looking down,
    Gamefaqs gave them the rundown.
    The decision was made;
    With the help of their aid.
    And while Kaeko posted on his journal,
    The whole world felt infernal,
    And we sang dirges in the dark
    The day the level cap died.

    We were singing;
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinkin potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Panic and chaos in a later Winter rumble
    The devs flew off while the players grumble
    Eight miles high and falling fast.
    If only we could give them a blast
    The players tried for a forward pass,
    While Gamefaqs was on the sidelines in a cast.

    Now the concert air was sweet perfume
    With Uematsu playing a sweet tune.
    We all got up to dance,
    Oh, but we never got the chance!
    `cause the players kept remembering;
    The terrible fate the was coming.
    Do you recall what was revealed
    The day the level cap died?

    We started singing;
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Oh, and there we were all in one place,
    A generation lost in space
    With no time left to start again.
    So come on: Sono ban them left, ban the right
    Ban them till they're out of sight
    Cause trolling is the devil's only friend.

    Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
    My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
    No person born so well
    Could break those troll's spell.
    And as the flames climbed high into the night
    It gave us all, well, quite a fright!,
    I saw the trolls laughing with delight
    The day the level cap died.

    They were singing:
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    I met a boy who played a knight [ Paladin ]
    And I asked him "Whats the mythic's might?"
    But he just frowned and turned away.
    I went down to the sacred forum
    Where I hoped that there would be some decorum
    But the forum, was the same.

    And in the streets: the mages screamed
    The Dragoon's cried, and the Monks dreamed.
    But not a word was spoken;
    Everyone's spirit o' was a broken.
    And the three men I admire most:
    Well, they were grilled on a roast,
    They caught the last train for the coast
    The day the level cap died.

    And they were singing:
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    They were singing:
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

  10. #890
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    /slowclap

  11. #891
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antithesis View Post
    A long, long time ago...
    I can still remember
    How that XP used to make me smile.
    And I knew if I had my chance
    That I could make those players prance
    And, maybe, they'd be happy for a while.

    But February made me shiver
    With every Level, I did quiver.
    Bad news on the live feed;
    I just wanted, to bleed.

    I can't remember if I cried
    When I read about the death of the Monk's pride
    But something touched me deep inside
    The day the level cap died.

    So bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Did you write the Brady Guide?
    And do you have faith that Faffy will die,
    If the Guide tells you so?
    Do you believe in rock n'roll,
    Can music save your character's soul,
    And can you teach me how to rage real slow?

    Well, I know that you're in love with it
    `cause I saw that frown of yours split.
    You both took off your gear
    Man, I really fucking need a beer

    I was a lonely teenage high school grad
    With a crummy job and a fucked up dad
    But I knew I was out of luck
    The day the level cap died

    I started singing;
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Now for eight years we've been doing the same
    And AV sits there ready to claim,
    But that's not how it used to be.
    When Gamefaqs sang for the development team,
    In a picture they borrowed from a stupid scheme
    And a voice that came from you and me,

    Oh, and while the development team was looking down,
    Gamefaqs gave them the rundown.
    The decision was made;
    With the help of their aid.
    And while Kaeko posted on his journal,
    The whole world felt infernal,
    And we sang dirges in the dark
    The day the level cap died.

    We were singing;
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinkin potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Panic and chaos in a later Winter rumble
    The devs flew off while the players grumble
    Eight miles high and falling fast.
    If only we could give them a blast
    The players tried for a forward pass,
    While Gamefaqs was on the sidelines in a cast.

    Now the concert air was sweet perfume
    With Uematsu playing a sweet tune.
    We all got up to dance,
    Oh, but we never got the chance!
    `cause the players kept remembering;
    The terrible fate the was coming.
    Do you recall what was revealed
    The day the level cap died?

    We started singing;
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Oh, and there we were all in one place,
    A generation lost in space
    With no time left to start again.
    So come on: Sono ban them left, ban the right
    Ban them till they're out of sight
    Cause trolling is the devil's only friend.

    Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
    My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
    No person born so well
    Could break those troll's spell.
    And as the flames climbed high into the night
    It gave us all, well, quite a fright!,
    I saw the trolls laughing with delight
    The day the level cap died.

    They were singing:
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    I met a boy who played a knight [ Paladin ]
    And I asked him "Whats the mythic's might?"
    But he just frowned and turned away.
    I went down to the sacred forum
    Where I hoped that there would be some decorum
    But the forum, was the same.

    And in the streets: the mages screamed
    The Dragoon's cried, and the Monks dreamed.
    But not a word was spoken;
    Everyone's spirit o' was a broken.
    And the three men I admire most:
    Well, they were grilled on a roast,
    They caught the last train for the coast
    The day the level cap died.

    And they were singing:
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    They were singing:
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."
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  12. #892
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necronus View Post
    B) A BLM that throws a massive emo rage hissy fit if someone accidentally cures him cause he has no hp down set ... I get sneaky and slip a Regen on them when they're not paying attention.
    Dancer's roll is awesome for this, because they can't cancel it lol

  13. #893
    I trusted Zet and this is what happened
    Eleven owes me $40 bucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antithesis View Post
    A long, long time ago...
    I can still remember
    How that XP used to make me smile.
    And I knew if I had my chance
    That I could make those players prance
    And, maybe, they'd be happy for a while.

    But February made me shiver
    With every Level, I did quiver.
    Bad news on the live feed;
    I just wanted, to bleed.

    I can't remember if I cried
    When I read about the death of the Monk's pride
    But something touched me deep inside
    The day the level cap died.

    So bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Did you write the Brady Guide?
    And do you have faith that Faffy will die,
    If the Guide tells you so?
    Do you believe in rock n'roll,
    Can music save your character's soul,
    And can you teach me how to rage real slow?

    Well, I know that you're in love with it
    `cause I saw that frown of yours split.
    You both took off your gear
    Man, I really fucking need a beer

    I was a lonely teenage high school grad
    With a crummy job and a fucked up dad
    But I knew I was out of luck
    The day the level cap died

    I started singing;
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Now for eight years we've been doing the same
    And AV sits there ready to claim,
    But that's not how it used to be.
    When Gamefaqs sang for the development team,
    In a picture they borrowed from a stupid scheme
    And a voice that came from you and me,

    Oh, and while the development team was looking down,
    Gamefaqs gave them the rundown.
    The decision was made;
    With the help of their aid.
    And while Kaeko posted on his journal,
    The whole world felt infernal,
    And we sang dirges in the dark
    The day the level cap died.

    We were singing;
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinkin potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Panic and chaos in a later Winter rumble
    The devs flew off while the players grumble
    Eight miles high and falling fast.
    If only we could give them a blast
    The players tried for a forward pass,
    While Gamefaqs was on the sidelines in a cast.

    Now the concert air was sweet perfume
    With Uematsu playing a sweet tune.
    We all got up to dance,
    Oh, but we never got the chance!
    `cause the players kept remembering;
    The terrible fate the was coming.
    Do you recall what was revealed
    The day the level cap died?

    We started singing;
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    Oh, and there we were all in one place,
    A generation lost in space
    With no time left to start again.
    So come on: Sono ban them left, ban the right
    Ban them till they're out of sight
    Cause trolling is the devil's only friend.

    Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
    My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
    No person born so well
    Could break those troll's spell.
    And as the flames climbed high into the night
    It gave us all, well, quite a fright!,
    I saw the trolls laughing with delight
    The day the level cap died.

    They were singing:
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    I met a boy who played a knight [ Paladin ]
    And I asked him "Whats the mythic's might?"
    But he just frowned and turned away.
    I went down to the sacred forum
    Where I hoped that there would be some decorum
    But the forum, was the same.

    And in the streets: the mages screamed
    The Dragoon's cried, and the Monks dreamed.
    But not a word was spoken;
    Everyone's spirit o' was a broken.
    And the three men I admire most:
    Well, they were grilled on a roast,
    They caught the last train for the coast
    The day the level cap died.

    And they were singing:
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."

    They were singing:
    Bye-bye, Level 75.
    Looked for party once and twice,
    I got no time for "Ice."
    And them good old players were drinking potions and juice
    Singing, "This ll be the day that we loose."
    "This ll be the day that we loose."
    Cool story bro

  14. #894
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    I can't tell, does he mean loose? Or lose? In the chorus...

  15. #895
    Konda
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    btw, spoiler that shit when you quote it :/

  16. #896
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    Quote Originally Posted by Konda View Post
    Dancer's roll is awesome for this, because they can't cancel it lol
    Paeon as well. Man RDM is gonna get Hastega AND Hastega 2 man, gonna be sweet replacing everything with new cycles to support PARTIES

  17. #897
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    I wouldn't be surprized if they up the anty with tp raized to 400%. Why not, levels got +33%~.

  18. #898
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    Im just hoping for smn/rdm with refresh and maybe convert... i know what job id full time

  19. #899
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talisien View Post
    I can't tell, does he mean loose? Or lose? In the chorus...
    I'm a terrible speller

  20. #900
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    Wonder if they're going to give SMN new Bloodpacts or just say "fuck ya'll you got Odin/Alex for 3 minutes every 2 hours" like well... like I'm expecting.

    Hate to think we're getting 24 new levels and wont see a single new blood pact making (if rdm even gets the spell) Hastega (and thanks to /SCH getting the AoE buff) Earthern Ward and Aerial Armor (in the case of A.Armor -more-) useless.

    Not to mention SCH main will get Haste at what, level 82?

    Also they talked about new merits and/or raising the current cap on current merits. I hope they let us Merit Avatar's Favor potency/etc o.o

    Also Perp cost, god i hope they let us Augment Perp- on shit with the Magian Trials... i dont know bout you but i was happy that in the right day i could get free Garuda =( better be able to at 99 as well

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