lv99 bitch/speculation/etc thread

[Cantih]

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Anyone who knows me can tell you how much hell I had with CoP & ToAU, and just how long it took me to get THF to 75.
And that was AFTER they gimped the missions and EXP curve.
Until they changed the Thief's Knife conditions, I was basically never going to be able to get one.

I will NEVER begrudge things becoming easier for people, even if it lessens the effort I put in. The thought of haves wanting to keep the have-nots locked out, is a very ugly thing.

Hell, I'm expecting that during this year, since it'll come out in small chunks, the 75-99 will use the current exp curve, regardless of if the new camps have a better exp per mob or per hour. And once it's all out, maybe a few updates later, they'll redo the whole exp curve again like they did long ago.
And I. WILL. NOT. CARE. I'll likely even do both my THF and my SCH to 99 before the year is even up.

[Malacite]

I just find it's the ultimate testament to SE's spectacularly bad game design.

The very concept of Relic & Mythic weapons is so horribly flawed; getting an entire LS of people to help one person obtain a single, often marginally better than the next best choice weapon after a year or more of work and lord knows how much gil. No, that isn't the least bit stupid *rolls eyes*


I'm happy for the people who own one (or more) but I'd also like to see some of the new stuff be as good or better. Relics are over 5 years old, fuck off already and they better not dare pull this BS again with XIV, or at the very least wait a bit longer before doing so. Though in all fairness, they only expected XI to last 3 years at most so their timing was fine in terms of what they'd envisioned. Epic fail, or epic win? You decide.

[Yugl]

You have to understand that SE's intention was to foster an intensely cooperative system. For this reason, some of that appear to make no sense, were founded on the philosophy that people would be working together to achieve goals. In other words, Relics were intended to be a group activity for the entire lot. Of course, the outcome is much different.

[Lovex]

I just find it's the ultimate testament to SE's spectacularly bad game design.

The very concept of Relic & Mythic weapons is so horribly flawed; getting an entire LS of people to help one person obtain a single, often marginally better than the next best choice weapon after a year or more of work and lord knows how much gil. No, that isn't the least bit stupid *rolls eyes*


I'm happy for the people who own one (or more) but I'd also like to see some of the new stuff be as good or better. Relics are over 5 years old, fuck off already and they better not dare pull this BS again with XIV, or at the very least wait a bit longer before doing so. Though in all fairness, they only expected XI to last 3 years at most so their timing was fine in terms of what they'd envisioned. Epic fail, or epic win? You decide.

There are alot of people out there who self fund their relics through farming, wishlisting gil items and hard work.

Relics are sign of a person love for a job on the most part.

I'm not worried about current relics becoming gimp. Relics cost so much
gil and effort. They do deserve to stand out strongly.

The event they are adding will allow you to add stats and pimp out
your relics/mythics with additional effects is going that are going to keep
the weapons and armor very potent still, even at 99.

Theyre not going to add weapons that are on par with
75 relics. Even if they do add some weapons that have higher or equal base dmg
and stats, I'm sure they will have something even stronger in store relics.

It was my understanding that there is a section in that event speficially
designed for enhancing relics/mythics, no? I don't think they will let us down.


Another thing to consider though is if they will add newer relics/mythic/whatever
to abbysea, which would be way cool.

I'm hoping they add 99 relics, which of course should beat 75 relics by default.

[Kaylia]

There are alot of people out there who self fund their relics through farming, wishlisting gil items and hard work.

Of course, but there is still a ton of people who used their ls to fund their relics. On top of my head, there is 20-30% of the relic I can think of that were farmed by the player alone, and it was usually a rich crafter, or someonee who scored during the inflation.

I know I can't generalize, but most relic holder I've encountered weren't "team player". Not to say they were bad person, but they weren't the most helpfu either, and it bothers me that kind of players is rewarded more than the one who spend most of his time with the linkshells.

[willriker]

i actually have the opposite experience. most people i know with relicsare really nice people who bend over backwards to help others out.

[Neosutra]

I'm hoping they add 99 relics, which of course should beat 75 relics by default.

Ultima Blade:

Stage 1 material requirements: 1 Burtgang, 1 Excalibur, 1 Ninurta's sash.
Stage 2 material requirements: 10k Dynamis notes, 10k alex, 10k Abysea currency..

I dont even want to imagine stage 99 requirements actually, Im so tired of relic upgrading Q.Q.

[mdkuser]

zilart relics are one of the dumbest idea they came up with. its not exactly hard to buy currency, or use a sheep LS to farm them for you. If they ever introduce new relics i wish they make them into a series of very hard quests...

[Kaylia]

zilart relics are one of the dumbest idea they came up with. its not exactly hard to buy currency, or use a sheep LS to farm them for you. If they ever introduce new relics i wish they make them into a series of very hard quests...

And the final quest require 10 billions atomos shard!


I wish they wouldn't have fucked nyzul relic. They are barely stronger than normal weapon most of the time, and the quest is already a pain on its own (einherjar and ZNM alone would prevent you of getting them too fast). I don't understand why they needed a 100m price tag on top of it.

[Yubar]

Of course, but there is still a ton of people who used their ls to fund their relics. On top of my head, there is 20-30% of the relic I can think of that were farmed by the player alone, and it was usually a rich crafter, or someonee who scored during the inflation.

I know I can't generalize, but most relic holder I've encountered weren't "team player". Not to say they were bad person, but they weren't the most helpfu either, and it bothers me that kind of players is rewarded more than the one who spend most of his time with the linkshells.

On the other hand, there is also the players who get relics and all they do is just spend time with the linkshell, and never bother to improve anything else on their job, because they have a "too nice and helpful" mentality such as them thinking since they have a relic it will now greatly improve their ls and not have to bother getting gear.

[Kaylia]

On the other hand, there is also the players who get relics and all they do is just spend time with the linkshell, and never bother to improve anything else on their job, because they have a "too nice and helpful" mentality such as them thinking since they have a relic it will now greatly improve their ls and not have to bother getting gear.

I havent encountered that type yet. The gimped relic holder I've seen were just terrible all around. If you can gather 150m, you can spend 20m to gears yourself properly, and if you're active, thing will eventually drop for you as well.

[Shamaya]

Slight side question, is there any possible 75-80 exp camps in the game already?

La'Vaule[S] could be good. I haven't been there for awhile. There is kind of like one main camp area in the south between a bunch of houses. And there's the lil island in the middle of the map that's also another possible camp. I could see a really strong party even now clearing the south camp, but the mobs there are pretty rough with their counterstance and link like crazy.

Have you ever seen an Orcish Cupholder?
Not fun stuff.

But I think somewhere on the way up to 80, you might be able to manage to merge both of those camps into one, kind of like how peaked parties can turn middle birds into 3-floors worth of mobs + wivres, or make skoffin pit their camp for the whole zone at mamool ja staging point. Big problem w/ La Vaule is the links. At the house, they can be particularly massive.

[Nevex]

Do people think that PLD99/WHM49 can solo Sarameya unless they boost it?
/WHM for Barfira, Afflatus, MDB and Haste mainly. I don't think other SJs would do better.

[jimbobsonofgod]

I don't understand why they needed a 100m price tag on top of it.

Players set the price for the alex, not square, for all we know it was square's intention for relics to cost millions of gil and mythic weapons to cost 3mil.

Dynamis has an entry fee to cover, and square lowered that entry fee probably in the hopes that currency would reduce in price , so that more people could do relics.

Unfortunately everything square does looks good on paper never in practice.

I think its about time square finally realized that its player base has always been, smarter then they are.

Not counting AV.

Real question is, can a whitemage accession cure V a party of people under Affatus Solace, would everyone get the stoneskin buff ?

[Kaylia]

Players set the price for the alex, not square, for all we know it was square's intention for relics to cost millions of gil and mythic weapons to cost 3mil

SE determines the rarity of an item, and rarity determine the price. There is other factor like minimum price under which people wouldn't botter selling/collecting them, but it's mostly irrelevant.


They wouldn't be 30k per alexandrite if you needed only 3k.

Do people think that PLD99/WHM49 can solo Sarameya unless they boost it?
/WHM for Barfira, Afflatus, MDB and Haste mainly. I don't think other SJs would do better.

Good luck with the 500hp/tick regen when blaze spike is up.


/rdm for phalanx, haste, refresh, might be better. You also get some m.def and barfira.On top of this, you can dispel the regen

[Nevex]

Right, I forgot about the regen. Wonder if /RDM would be able to land Dispel though. Duo seems definitely possible however.

[Kaylia]

I think it can actually resist dispel if you cast without macro on BLM, so I don't know.

[Appie]

I think its about time square finally realized that its player base has always been, smarter then they are.

Not counting AV.

Considering the amount of time people have put into AV and found some succesfull strategies to be patched later by SE, players are smarter than SE on AV too. Finest moment was the emergency maint to "fix" souleater on AV. Personally, that was the moment I considered SE's cockblock mob owned.

[Xanthe]

Not exactly level 99 speculation, but BLMs' JSE (Job Specific Emote) had better be the Shantotto laugh.

[Rocl]

Not exactly level 99 speculation, but BLMs' JSE (Job Specific Emote) had better be the Shantotto laugh.

best idea for a job-specific emote yet

as for sarameya, i tend to notice most cerberus mobs having a little dispel resistance so idfk if you can land it reliably with enf skill just from sub, but it has been over a year since i fought sarameya \('-'*)