lv99 bitch/speculation/etc thread

[JigglyJam]

I wonder what the stat progressions and skill levels are going to be on the way up to 99. Also, I'm a bit more concerned about new weapons over armor and how they may affect relic and mythic value. SE should add new armor and weapons with the first level cap increase so I guess we'll find out then.

I'm feeling optimistic about what SE will do in this stage of life of the game. The past has shown that they can be hit or miss with implementing these awesome ideas but I think with it being so close to the end we'll see a lot of cool things.

[Konda]

Stupid comment as always. If you are so godly that you can time your :Ichi without getting hit, what's the point of pdt ? Might as well put spell interrupt there, this way you have the guarranty to only get hit once unlike your zomg pdt solution.

get hit for 4000000000 dmg and spend the next 10mins recovering the lost enmity

If something is hitting you too fast to time ichi, it's going to rip through your 3 shadows in a matter of seconds anyway. Things like ouryu, or omega, taking damage without -pdt isnt worth it because of the damage you'd take (and enmity lost) or how quicky you'll lost shadows, and the amount of times you'll get hit on an ichi cast with just ninja's base defence in cloth armour.

edit: to clarify, shit's situational, and carrying around full interrupt set for when /rdm and fighting certain mobs isnt worth it. I've got enough trouble carrying around what I have atm, nevermind another 5-10 pieces.

[Francisco]

I still wonder what happened to people's excitement for a challenge. I mean, when RotZ turned to CoP, I didn't hear people whining about having to attain new gear outside of sky, but perhaps I wasn't listening enough.

I think the difference here is - the time and effort put into newer popular gear is much greater than time and effort put into older popular gear.

At this point, I feel like if given a six person static party, I could have anything from sky I wanted within a week - except Kirin drops.

Limbus is a bit more random - but I wouldn't be devastated over AF+1 being obsolete.

Dynamis armor - I view any upgrade on that as a plus. For me, it is all situational. If they can give me a pair of gloves that makes Chakra even better, I'll take it.

Salvage armor is an ENTIRELY different story for me. I just spent two years and several million gil unlocking that shit. It better not become garbage.

It's not that I'm opposed to getting new armor - but those nights with Shitadel Chelonian better have not been in vain.

As a monk - I'd be happy with an upgrade to my weapon (Destroyers) - but I'd be pissed if I had a Spharai and it became obsolete after level 80 or so. I'd also be HIGHLY disappointed if I'm still using Destroyers at level 99. Neck, earrings, rings, back, ammo - upgrade away. I'll go for them if it's worth it.

I wonder what, if anything, is in store for Black Belt.

[Nightmarelord]

hey, not all relic ppl depend on ls' to get them relics. and afking in wg isnt all bad. maybe the relic holder is just bored of the game! and how dare u call a relic holder gimp.. THAT DOMARUUUUUUUUUUUU IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.

[Francisco]

As of right now, where would a level 99 NOT be able to walk around aggro free without sneak and invis?

[Cairthenn]

As of right now, where would a level 99 NOT be able to walk around aggro free without sneak and invis?

Anywhere with VT/IT+ that aggros.

[Scritch]

Pretty sure Defenders would aggro even if you were Lv.3000

[ronin sparthos]

Anywhere with VT/IT+ that aggros.

Walking to Khim/Tyger/Majaelif with zero agro?

Kinda..........lulz.

[Cairthenn]

Why would you be walking to outdated content?

Also those are all 79+, they'd still aggro.

[toqabowl]

I wonder what kind of nukes the blm frame for pup will get @ 99? FireV BlizV?

[FailureMidgard]

Why would you be walking to outdated content?

Also those are all 79+, they'd still aggro.

King Arthro says hi.

Why is everyone assuming that everything will get outdated? Seems to me the most likely candidate to replace Aurum Body is ... quest/augmented Aurum body. Imagine that.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Why the hell do people think Utsusemi: San would make ninja any more desirable than it already is(n't)? Maybe you all haven't been paying attention for the past two years, but nobody gives a damn who takes 10 damage instead of 11 damage in a fight, they care about who's got more to offer to the battle as a whole. Unless the things we're going to be fighting are offensively on par with(albeit, managable in a practical sense) AV and defensively on par with DI, neither paladin nor ninja are going to be stealing the spotlight back. The difference between taking down a DRK/NIN and taking down a PLD, NIN, RDM, or BLU is miniscule at best, while the difference between a DRK/NIN's(insert WAR or SAM if applicable) damage output and everyone else's is anything but insignificant.

tl;dr welcome to post-WotG

[Baelorn]

Seems to me the most likely candidate to replace Aurum Body is ... quest/augmented Aurum body. Imagine that.

That's what I said but no one listens to me. Maybe they'll listen to you.

[Francisco]

I'm guessing we won't be seeing the following spells...

Tier III ancient magic...
Protect V, Protectra VI...
Shell V, Shellra VI
Phalanx III...
Any fourth tier ninjutsu...
Dia IV, Bio IV
Slow, Paralyze or Blind III

But I think we might see the following spells...

Comet
Meteor
Fire/Thunder/Aero/Water/Blizzard/Stone V, and maybe VI
Firaga/Thundaga/Aeroga/Waterga/Blizzaga/Stonega IV and maybe V
Dispel II
Gravity II
Silence II
Haste II
Refresh II
Mage's Ballad III
Holy II
Cure VI
Curaga V
Regen IV
Raise IV
Utsusemi: San
Jubaku: San
Monomi: Ni, Monomi: San (Monomi: Ni, maybe being a low to mid-level addition)
Tonko: San
Blink II
Stoneskin II
Tier II Barspells...

Maybe even some surprises like Ultima, Pain, Aura (TP Regen or something), Break, Death, Demi, Full-Raise (no weakness), Reflect, Libra and Stop.

Now, if the developers want to really add a challenge to this game... take a page from FFX and add monsters that like to inflict the Zombie status and cast spells like Raise and Regen IV on party members.
Hastega
Slowga

[Dein]

I agree with the statement that the more diverse a job is the better it is, and presuming the new endgame events/hnms can't be zerged and need traditional setups with a tank party this should be stressed. Ninja getting Utsusemi: San isn't going to kill pld/nin tanking. Pld/nin didn't become as popular as it did just because it had shadows and ninja getting a third utsusemi doesn't give it anything new to make it competitive with pld's diversity. To add to this as well pld is going to be receiving new natural abilities with the level cap so SE could easily give pld something "big" to use for tanking purposes to balance against Utsusemi: San.

[Rocl]

gonna need Jubaku: Ni before we get San, no? What would Dispel II do? Full Dispel? Gravity II = more -% movement speed and more -eva? Blink II = more shadows, Stoneskin II = higher cap? some of the ideas behind those enf/enh spells seem weird to me

also i wouldn't put it past WHMs getting Reviviscence!

[Tsuko_Asura]

I agree with the statement that the more diverse a job is the better it is, and presuming the new endgame events/hnms can't be zerged and need traditional setups with a tank party this should be stressed. Ninja getting Utsusemi: San isn't going to kill pld/nin tanking. Pld/nin didn't become as popular as it did just because it had shadows and ninja getting a third utsusemi doesn't give it anything new to make it competitive with pld's diversity. To add to this as well pld is going to be receiving new natural abilities with the level cap so SE could easily give pld something "big" to use for tanking purposes to balance against Utsusemi: San.

If Square wants PLD/NIN/RDM/BLU to be worthwhile again, they need to make everything similar to DI(reduced damage from the front, etc).

[Dein]

If Square wants PLD/NIN/RDM/BLU to be worthwhile again, they need to make everything similar to DI(reduced damage from the front, etc).

Hence why I said:

presuming the new endgame events/hnms can't be zerged and need traditional setups with a tank party

Also in the write up Elmer did of Vanafest it seems the devs will be looking at making the new fights differentiate from how we dealt with old HNMs.

The developers indicated these will be different than what they have added in the past in terms of both style and difficulty.

[Tsuko_Asura]

What is "traditional" meant to imply? You still use "tank parties" for most HNM today, you simply swap out <insert outdated tank here> for DRK/SAM/WAR.

[Francisco]

gonna need Jubaku: Ni before we get San, no? What would Dispel II do? Full Dispel? Gravity II = more -% movement speed and more -eva? Blink II = more shadows, Stoneskin II = higher cap? some of the ideas behind those enf/enh spells seem weird to me

also i wouldn't put it past WHMs getting Reviviscence!

I meant to say Jubaku: Ni...

Dispel II = higher success, chance to dispel multiple buffs - maybe dispel statuses that can't currently be dispelled.

Gravity II = more -% movement speed, more -evasion, longer duration, maybe more accurate...

Blink II = 4-5 shadows, or 3-4 shadows that work like Utsusemi (if I recall, you can get hit with Blink up... shadows don't prevent getting hit)

Stoneskin II = higher damage cap, maybe lower cast time

What's Reviviscence again?