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  1. #1141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuko_Asura View Post
    In what way are you limited that Cair is not? The people he plays with simply try harder than the people you play with, which is why they have Kraken Clubs. Don't delude yourself into thinking you're working with some sort of handicap.
    Oh god. Are you really this retarded or are you just trolling?

  2. #1142
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    MY HANDICAP: GOING OUTSIDE

    c'mon i had to be the first one to say it

  3. #1143
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    Your handicap: believing RL matters.


  4. #1144

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanr View Post
    Not everyfuckinbody has access to KClubs and Relics goddamnit.
    Kclubs only good for two jobs who gives a fuck.

  5. #1145
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baelorn View Post
    Oh god. Are you really this retarded or are you just trolling?
    I'm not hearing a logical rebuttal.

    Oh, you don't have one, right.



    Be better at prioritizing your time = Have more money

    Have more money = Have more high-end items like Kraken Club


    Not hard broski

  6. #1146
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    Quote Originally Posted by AidenCarby View Post
    Kclubs only good for two jobs who gives a fuck.
    3 actually. DRK RNG & WHM.

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    Don't forget paladin.

  8. #1148
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuko_Asura View Post
    I'm not hearing a logical rebuttal.

    Oh, you don't have one, right.



    Be better at prioritizing your time = Have more money

    Have more money = Have more high-end items like Kraken Club


    Not hard broski
    Not everyone can use a schedule. Some of us have calendars that revolve around other IRL issues, thus we have no way to do scheduled events like Dynamis and einherjar.

    Because of this, players like this, my dad for example works on the rigs and has no way to know what days hes able to play and what he cant, can onyl do solo stuff by themselves when they're on, and low man things with close friends if they happen to be on.

    Because of this, it doesnt matter how pro you are at managing time if you don't have enough time period.

    Some people would love nothing more than koenig's, a ridill, etc, but they just don't have the time. And it kinda makes me feel bad seeing people like that, putting years of effort into ffxi only to be reduced to "whelp, only one friend on... Guess I'll go level my dragoon solo for 2 hours again, maybe there'll actually be a party on and I can get an invite..."

  9. #1149
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    People who only have time to do things solo shouldn't be playing a MMORPG

  10. #1150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuko_Asura View Post
    I'm not hearing a logical rebuttal.

    Oh, you don't have one, right.



    Be better at prioritizing your time = Have more money

    Have more money = Have more high-end items like Kraken Club


    Not hard broski
    Everyone can be rich if they just try! Poor people are only poor because they're lazy!

  11. #1151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rionel View Post
    I dunno if WHMs would get that though. Sounds a little too good for players to have... though you never know. Maybe it'll have a 10min recast or something! One can hope~
    Anything can be balanced. 10 minute recast could be circumvented by bringing a WHM mule that logs out and back in repeatedly, but how about a ridiculous (400+) MP cost or some other balancing factor?

  12. #1152
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuko_Asura View Post
    I'm not hearing a logical rebuttal.

    Oh, you don't have one, right.



    Be better at prioritizing your time = Have more money

    Have more money = Have more high-end items like Kraken Club


    Not hard broski
    I disagree with this because a lot of it is down to pure luck. Take KC for example, someone could do BC60 100 times and not get drop but someone else could do it once and get the drop.

    There is also the fact that many rich people got that way by being in a leader position and exploiting their linkshell out of gil/drops/currency etc.

    On top of that, there's RMT.

    In my opinion having more money means:
    10% of the time, you're harder working than everyone else.
    40% of the time, you're luckier than everyone else.
    50% of the time, you're an asshole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    Everyone can be rich if they just try! Poor people are only poor because they're lazy!
    I lol'd.

    This all applies ingame as much as it does in the real world..
    The dream of capitalism is just that, a dream. True wealth is down to opportunity and exploitation.

  13. #1153
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuko_Asura View Post
    People who only have time to do things solo shouldn't be playing a MMORPG
    Not to mention that people who want to play a game that never changes shouldn't play MMOs and then bitch about the changes

  14. #1154
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gergall View Post
    Anything can be balanced. 10 minute recast could be circumvented by bringing a WHM mule that logs out and back in repeatedly, but how about a ridiculous (400+) MP cost or some other balancing factor?
    Oh no no no, not as a spell. As a job ability or something.

    Maybe a 20 minute timer...

  15. #1155
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    Quote Originally Posted by byte View Post
    50% of the time, you're an asshole.
    There's a reason the asshole types get to be in the position of taking it all: they work harder. They set the events, the do the planning, the drag the sheep along by the leash. I'd like to hope there aren't that many people who are so stupid as to not understand where they fall in the food chain when they enter a ls and do nothing but provide another body.

    The followers know the deal they're getting into. They get lesser end of the deal, but in exchange they just show up for the event, follow directions, and warp out at the end. If they moved beyond wanting to the be the ones with relics and krakens to the point of putting in that effort to run the show themselves, they'd get it.

    The game's not designed to make everyone equal, you can sit around doing random crap hoping to get lucky or you can put in real time/effort. I don't understand why people bitch about it instead of taking initiative.

  16. #1156
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    Yes since we all know time and effort pay off in FFXI, not dumb luck or random ass drop rates, and there aren't tons of people who do events day in and day out and are regularly screwed on no drops.

    My point is people who work their ass off still get screwed all the time.

    not that whiny people need to work more, cause they do.

    and just because you're in a position of power doesn't mean you got to be a grand prick no one likes.

  17. #1157
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolwut View Post
    There's a reason the asshole types get to be in the position of taking it all: they work harder. They set the events, the do the planning, the drag the sheep along by the leash. I'd like to hope there aren't that many people who are so stupid as to not understand where they fall in the food chain when they enter a ls and do nothing but provide another body.

    The followers know the deal they're getting into. They get lesser end of the deal, but in exchange they just show up for the event, follow directions, and warp out at the end. If they moved beyond wanting to the be the ones with relics and krakens to the point of putting in that effort to run the show themselves, they'd get it.

    The game's not designed to make everyone equal, you can sit around doing random crap hoping to get lucky or you can put in real time/effort. I don't understand why people bitch about it instead of taking initiative.
    It's morally justified to get slaves to build you a pyramid because afterall, you're the one telling them what to do, so you're doing the hard work right?

  18. #1158
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    Getting relics and K-clubs is easy, just need two things.

    Bots
    Time

    A lot of people don't lead because they don't have the time, not because they can't.

  19. #1159

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    You forgot patience! How's carby?

  20. #1160
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    Quote Originally Posted by byte View Post
    I
    There is also the fact that many rich people got that way by being in a leader position and exploiting their linkshell out of gil/drops/currency etc.
    Exploiting ? if people are dumb it's not an exploitation. Also I doubt you can do good money with dumb people.


    In my opinion having more money means:
    10% of the time, you're harder working than everyone else.
    40% of the time, you're luckier than everyone else.
    50% of the time, you're an asshole.
    Sounds like you are poor. If you are poor that's because you suck. Being lucky (kclub ...) will obviously concern much less than 40% of everyone.

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