FFXIV Closed Alpha/Beta Discussion (Cancelled for this week)

[Lazytowner]

Yes that is what I am trying to imply with my sarcasm, I'm complaining about SE METHODOLOGY which does include their methods but much more then that. I assume you know the meaning of methodology as well because it doesn't really mean "method" like you previous posted. Maybe your problem isn't definitions maybe it's reading in general?

I put the tags on there so idiots like you would know I was being sarcastic because I noticed very few people don't get sarcasm so I always point it out when I'm being sarcastic. Finally, no there is no such thing as sarcastic bitching because it's either sarcastic or bitching, can't be both. If there is such a thing please point it out for me... oh wait I FORGOT THERE IS NONE!

I win you lose, deal with it.

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Egos should be dropped on both sides.


It would be torture if every stream until open beta is going to be Lalafell all day. I know I'm making a prediction on -two- streams, but oh lawd I can make an educated guess by previous mmo experiences.

[BRP]

People who say FFXIV's combat is a lot like FFXI are people who have not read anything about FFXIV and are deciding what a game is like based on (literally!) level 1. Even then, FFXIV is pretty different from FFXI simply because of manual attacks and being able to charge your attack, but I just want to point out how stupid these people are when you think about it. Hold your tongue and just read shit. No one wants your analysis if you are not even caught up on the official page!

Also, my biggest fear with FFXIV atm is that it will take as much as 40 or 50 levels for you to get 10 or so abilities. Basically FFXI was very slow with abilities until that point, where you main job started picking up and subjob stopped sucking. We nothing to say one way or another... but if attacks and abilities do take a long time to accumulate to a full bar, then I hope I can alleviate it with multiple "sub jobs."

[bluefan]

Graphics and animations feel very polished, just the lag and framerate problems need work. It feels like FFXI-2 in almost every way.

I DC'd 3 times, one time my char disappeared, forcing me to restart, walking through closed doors, late/early battle log messages etc.

There were no mobs spawned anywhere I went outside, so the only battle I had was the opening one, and it's pretty confusing at first getting used to the new buttons. No help messages yet. Frame rate was very sluggish most times, and it's capped at 30fps. Menu's are kinda bland, and are a little delayed. the mouse and camera move too slow. Some ambient sounds are too loud, (footsteps) some are too soft.

Too early to say much, but it looks like they put a lot of effort into how everything looks, the environments are beautiful. I hope they put that same effort back into performance.

Specs:
i7 860 2.8Ghz
4GB DDR3
ATI HD5770
Win7 x64

Put a ton of bug reports and suggestions in on the beta forums, they seem committed to listening to us this time, we'll see how that goes.

Good to hear. Though I heard most of the suggestions SE received during the EU and NA were "lost" and has asked people to resubmit them.

So how exactly is the mouse utilized? Is it pretty useless like it was in XI? Or can you use it for, say, camera control? Targetting?

[Kirb]

Yes that is what I am trying to imply with my sarcasm, I'm complaining about SE METHODOLOGY which does include their methods but much more then that. I assume you know the meaning of methodology as well because it doesn't really mean "method" like you previous posted. Maybe your problem isn't definitions maybe it's reading in general?

I put the tags on there so idiots like you would know I was being sarcastic because I noticed very few people don't get sarcasm so I always point it out when I'm being sarcastic. Finally, no there is no such thing as sarcastic bitching because it's either sarcastic or bitching, can't be both. If there is such a thing please point it out for me... oh wait I FORGOT THERE IS NONE!

I win you lose, deal with it.

Uh, I don't think sarcasm works how you think it works.

People who say FFXIV's combat is a lot like FFXI are people who have not read anything about FFXIV and are deciding what a game is like based on (literally!) level 1. Even then, FFXIV is pretty different from FFXI simply because of manual attacks and being able to charge your attack, but I just want to point out how stupid these people are when you think about it. Hold your tongue and just read shit. No one wants your analysis if you are not even caught up on the official page!

Quote for fucking truth, jesus. People need to actually start reading all of the info that's out there. It's really only identical to XI in the way that you have weapons and you hit things with them.

Granted, I'd actually prefer that these people don't actually start playing the game, as they'll just end up being headaches later.

[Fanfon]

I got an email from SE................












.....................about some shitty Lara Croft game. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Hyan]

Also, my biggest fear with FFXIV atm is that it will take as much as 40 or 50 levels for you to get 10 or so abilities. Basically FFXI was very slow with abilities until that point, where you main job started picking up and subjob stopped sucking. We nothing to say one way or another... but if attacks and abilities do take a long time to accumulate to a full bar, then I hope I can alleviate it with multiple "sub jobs."

If I remember right, every class has around 20~ or so abilities, at least in the dats?

Assuming the level cap were 50 for retail version, you'd be able to gain 10 abilities by the time you're level 25 or so. Doesn't sound that bad.

But the cap could be 100 for all we know, so it's a valid concern.

[bluefan]

People who say FFXIV's combat is a lot like FFXI are people who have not read anything about FFXIV and are deciding what a game is like based on (literally!) level 1. Even then, FFXIV is pretty different from FFXI simply because of manual attacks and being able to charge your attack, but I just want to point out how stupid these people are when you think about it. Hold your tongue and just read shit. No one wants your analysis if you are not even caught up on the official page!

Ugh, this is a problem one of my friends has. And I'm this close to punching him in the face. Every time we start chatting about XIV, he always goes on about how it's exactly like XI, and not just visually. Showed him the first fight on the boat, and he moaned how slow it was and how the person wasn't strafing or moving around.

Newsflash, what the fuck do people expect? I remember my first combat experience and kill in WoW. It was a wolf. And I bludgeoned it to death with auto attack. Whoop dee freaking doo. How people can just judge something on the first, entry experience is mind boggling.

[Jinko]

I have to say that visually it has the same feel so thats probably where a lot of people are judging the game, add that to the slow paced alpha video's and there is no wonder they are jumping to conclusions, that aside i think once a player gets several actions under his belt the combat will pick up in speed quite a bit and will play considerably different.

[Hyan]

I have to say that visually it has the same feel so thats probably where a lot of people are judging the game, add that to the slow paced alpha video's and there is no wonder they are jumping to conclusions, that aside i think once a player gets several actions under his belt the combat will pick up in speed quite a bit.

Not to mention once people get to group up and position/direction actually starts to matter as well as whatever the regimen thing does, I don't think it will be anything like XI at that point.

[Tonka]

Ugh, this is a problem one of my friends has. And I'm this close to punching him in the face. Every time we start chatting about XIV, he always goes on about how it's exactly like XI, and not just visually. Showed him the first fight on the boat, and he moaned how slow it was and how the person wasn't strafing or moving around.

Newsflash, what the fuck do people expect? I remember my first combat experience and kill in WoW. It was a wolf. And I bludgeoned it to death with auto attack. Whoop dee freaking doo. How people can just judge something on the first, entry experience is mind boggling.

Ugh. Alliance...

[qpoiuwer]

Ugh, this is a problem one of my friends has. And I'm this close to punching him in the face. Every time we start chatting about XIV, he always goes on about how it's exactly like XI, and not just visually. Showed him the first fight on the boat, and he moaned how slow it was and how the person wasn't strafing or moving around.

Newsflash, what the fuck do people expect? I remember my first combat experience and kill in WoW. It was a wolf. And I bludgeoned it to death with auto attack. Whoop dee freaking doo. How people can just judge something on the first, entry experience is mind boggling.

NDAs exist for exactly this reason.

[Biggie]

NDAs exist for exactly this reason.

GTFO

[Kirb]

GTFO

Well, technically, he's right. I don't care about the leaks myself, but NDAs are meant to protect the product's image from the idiot consumer masses.

[Naos]

Quote for fucking truth, jesus. People need to actually start reading all of the info that's out there. It's really only identical to XI in the way that you have weapons and you hit things with them.

Granted, I'd actually prefer that these people don't actually start playing the game, as they'll just end up being headaches later.

I can't even express how much I agree with you.

[bluefan]

Ugh. Alliance...

Don't worry, I converted to horde eventually! Orcs just looked too good in plate and big 2handers to pass up.

NDAs exist for exactly this reason.

People who think like that in the first place were never really interested in it to begin with. That, or they're complete dip shits who can't understand the concept of alpha status and tutorial style game entry. The whole genre of MMO is about progressing to get to those good points. Not everything will be there for you at the start, never.

[qpoiuwer]

Well, technically, he's right. I don't care about the leaks myself, but NDAs are meant to protect the product's image from the idiot consumer masses.

I enjoy leaks as well, but a lot of people don't seem to understand what the purpose of an NDA is. SE knows they're going to get most of the FFXI playerbase in FFXIV, and that FFXI players will basically take whatever they can get. Non-FFXI players are their real target, and they don't want them scared away by boring level 1 fights against buggy rats.

[Trocian]

Can't remember if its been stated somewhere, but how does claiming monsters work?

Like FFXI? WoW? Aion?

Couldn't get outside the city walls to test it myself -.-

[solracht]

GTFO

No, he has a point. The reason developers do not want everyone looking at their unfinished game is precisely that.

The game is unfinished, and might not reflect the future final product that's ready for the public. Developers simply do not want the whole world to have the wrong impressions of their game, and SE developers themselves have stated this in the past unless I remember wrong, back before they announced players would be able to play in the alpha.

But good job jumping on the anti-NDA bandwagon without even knowing what you're yelling against.

[vrumpt]

Ugh, this is a problem one of my friends has. And I'm this close to punching him in the face. Every time we start chatting about XIV, he always goes on about how it's exactly like XI, and not just visually. Showed him the first fight on the boat, and he moaned how slow it was and how the person wasn't strafing or moving around.

Newsflash, what the fuck do people expect? I remember my first combat experience and kill in WoW. It was a wolf. And I bludgeoned it to death with auto attack. Whoop dee freaking doo. How people can just judge something on the first, entry experience is mind boggling.

after i reached goldshire and started doing those quests i realized what formula that got WoW to where it is. Sure the quest's get a little more diverse in Outland, by level 5 i pretty much figured out what made WoW tick.

Now at the same time this could be an Aion situation, where the devs cunningly deceive us into thinking 1-10 = 1-50, while the reality is quite different. Hopefully not, but with large portions of the core progression system missing (if stat point distributions is really that big of a deal) then all we can do is wait.

Also if people who played think level 1 or 2 or w/e they played at felt slow or dull, go to the beta forums and LET THEM KNOW. Make a new topic or something, be like, "Yo, so last night levels 1-2 that i played at felt very slow"

[Ryuushin]

GTFO

He has a point though. People are so quick to judge the game when it's like only 5-10% of the content. Don't get me wrong though, I don't criticize those who prefer to ignore the NDA but some of the responses do get ridiculous when the game is at it's most vulnerable state.