FFXIV Closed Alpha/Beta Discussion (Cancelled for this week)

[ringthree]

That is the entire problem of this. For those of you who think that drawing parallels from FFXI to FFXIV is stupid considering the amount of information we have received and the amount of game play we have been given, please consider that the same is true of the opposite. The fact that quite a few players even consider FFXIV to resemble FFXI should be enough to indicate that more than "people are overreacting to alpha content".

As far as the NDA goes, it's purpose is more to protect intellectual property than opinions of hardcore fanatics showing their friends how alpha the alpha content is. Even if SE had the exact intent of their particular NDA to prevent said fanatics' opinions, it just further shows that we should be worried how some of this alpha content even made it into the alpha.



If playing FFXI through all of its bullshit didn't clue you in, then SE won't have any problems getting you and your friends to play FFXIV.

Man, it was so Alpha that most people couldn't even stay on for more than 30 minutes at a time. You are judging the entire concept of a game on a very, very Alpha stage.

I know you are saying that "ZOMG if it's in the alpha still then it much suck!" but man if at the same time you can't see the differences and improvements while nit-picking the alpha then you just have an agenda.

I know that this may come as a shock, but some people still like FFXI, and you are not superior just because you feel like you can recognize it's "bullshit".

[rufus9]

how did the US alpha test go along?

[Biggie]

What I seen in the "lady gaga Live Video"

The Drowning Wench
(Adventures Guild)

Naldiq & Vynella's
(Blacksmiths guild, Armorers Guild)

The Bismarck
(Culinarians Guil)

Mealvaan's Gate
(Arcanist Guild)

The Astalieia
(Marauder's Guild)

Fisherman's Bottom
(Fishermans Guild)

[supercoco]

d/c'd every few mins

[Naos]

As far as I could tell, no. This is the alpha though, I'm assuming that come beta, armor durability will take a hit in addition to the raise sickness.

I'd counted on the durability coming in later, and tbh I'm kind of expecting the exp loss, just was curious if it was there or not last night. Thanks!

[Jinko]

I don't believe for a minute that SE are targeting FF11 fans per say, they may have said this and yes they have given us the chance to be in the Alpha because of the loyalty factor and nothing more IMO.

But this causes its own concerns in that FF11 fanboys tend to defend SE's choices to the death and see nothing wrong for example lets say the mouse and keyboard controls.

As someone posted above the main reason NDA's exsist is to protect IP's, I doubt the average casual gamer even knows where to look for Alpha footage.

I'd counted on the durability coming in later, and tbh I'm kind of expecting the exp loss, just was curious if it was there or not last night. Thanks!

If SE are to be believed in that they are trying to appeal to the casual/solo player than I doubt XP loss will come back, XP debt would be a much better method if they do plan anything like that though.

[Skeletor1278]

Personally, as much as I want FFXIV to succeed... I'm also hoping that it is a wake up call for SE. Right now, the only major source of excitement I've seen is coming from the FFXI community. And, as a previous FFXI player, this feels like FFXI v2. Of course, only alpha, etc. That is why what I wrote is very important right now. I've seen a ton of support from most of you on what I consider to be one of the most controversial forums that I read. Just consider the Pooky thread and all of the praise that he received for his live stream. If SE were to get a large influx of suggestions/reports/whatever the fuck they want, I'm really hoping that they implement them and show us that they're not the ignorant mmorpg developer of 2003 that most of us remember. If you consider them anything other than that - then please recall back to the fun you had with their ancient systems in ffxi and tell me that you had a blast, because I will gladly move away from FFXIV if turns into the same monstrosity and you continue to play it out of blind fanaticism.

That's pretty right on point.

[Kirb]

But this causes its own concerns in that FF11 fanboys tend to defend SE's choices to the death and see nothing wrong for example lets say the mouse and keyboard controls.

I'm hardly an SE fanboy but I loved the keyboard only controls. I got to sit back in my chair with my keyboard and relax while being able to do everything efficiently. I wouldn't say anything's wrong with the controls, that's more of a personal preference.

[Jinko]

I'm hardly an SE fanboy but I loved the keyboard only controls. I got to sit back in my chair with my keyboard and relax while being able to do everything efficiently. I wouldn't say anything's wrong with the controls, that's more of a personal preference.

I am kind of on the fence myself, but there is no denying that giving FF14 a standard MMO mouse and keyboard set up as an option wouldn't help the game appealing to other MMO players outside of FF11.

[Shaskoru]

I know an absolute horde of marketing students that would beg to differ. It is, of course, to protect intellectual property, but the latter is just as important to them when trying to sell a product, and an NDA serves both purposes.

What you're doing is basically judging an alpha so raw that most people couldn't even stay logged in for more than 20 minutes at a time.

Well it's great that you quoted my words verbatim and didn't take it out of context.

Man, it was so Alpha that most people couldn't even stay on for more than 30 minutes at a time. You are judging the entire concept of a game on a very, very Alpha stage.

I know you are saying that "ZOMG if it's in the alpha still then it much suck!" but man if at the same time you can't see the differences and improvements while nit-picking the alpha then you just have an agenda.

Clearly I have an agenda. The "it's alpha, shit is unfinished" attitude is just as bad as the "FFXIV looks like FFXI" attitude. I'm not saying I have the best perspective, but assuming SE is going to make this into an orgasm wagon between now and release is laughable. It's fucking SE and the same developers as FFXI, and you are defending them as if they never made one mistake in FFXI. From people who are claiming that this is targeted at you (current/previous FFXI players) first and others second, I can't help but think that you're the one with an agenda.

[Katlan]

Can't remember if its been stated somewhere, but how does claiming monsters work?

Like FFXI? WoW? Aion?

Like XI, there is even CFH

[GRT]

NDA exists to stop people from judging the game based on early level gameplay in an unfinished game? Wait... so is early level gameplay going to be a LOT MORE KICKASS in the finished game?


Woohoo, can't wait.

[qpoiuwer]

NDA exists to stop people from judging the game based on early level gameplay in an unfinished game? Wait... so is early level gameplay going to be a LOT MORE KICKASS in the finished game?


Woohoo, can't wait.

Well, at least you will be able to stay connected and not have things randomly disappear on top of tons of lag. That could be construed as more kickass I guess.

[Kirb]

Well it's great that you quoted my words verbatim and didn't take it out of context.

As far as the NDA goes, it's purpose is more to protect intellectual property than opinions of hardcore fanatics showing their friends how alpha the alpha content is.

Yeah, except I didn't. That's pretty much essentially what you said, and opinions are opinions, regardless of who leaks them.

Clearly I have an agenda. The "it's alpha, shit is unfinished" attitude is just as bad as the "FFXIV looks like FFXI" attitude. I'm not saying I have the best perspective, but assuming SE is going to make this into an orgasm wagon between now and release is laughable. It's fucking SE and the same developers as FFXI, and you are defending them as if they never made one mistake in FFXI. From people who are claiming that this is targeted at you (current/previous FFXI players) first and others second, I can't help but think that you're the one with an agenda.

What we're saying is that nobody has really had the ability to provide an unbiased, unfettered analysis on how the game actually works, because regardless of your personal opinion on how the final product will turn out, it's still in a relatively unfinished state with glitches, connection problems, several factors and mechanics missing. Christ, you're combative.

NDA exists to stop people from judging the game based on early level gameplay in an unfinished game? Wait... so is early level gameplay going to be a LOT MORE KICKASS in the finished game?

Uh, there will probably be less crashes and falling through geometry, so uh, I'd think so. Unless you're suggesting that those will be carried to the retail product and have no bearing on how fun the game is.


IIT: bitching and forced personal opinions from all sides

Can we talk about shit that we actually found out about the game from the alpha instead of setting the viscous cycle on spin?

[Baelorn]

Well, at least you will be able to stay connected and not have things randomly disappear on top of tons of lag.

Because this just doesn't happen in finished games like FFXI, right?

[qpoiuwer]

Because this just doesn't happen in finished games like FFXI, right?

Touché, sir.

[vrumpt]

What I seen in the "lady gaga Live Video"

PM plz to this and other clips i may have missed

[Shaskoru]

Yeah, except I didn't. That's pretty much essentially what you said, and opinions are opinions, regardless of who leaks them.

Even if SE had the exact intent of their particular NDA to prevent said fanatics' opinions, it just further shows that we should be worried how some of this alpha content even made it into the alpha.

That's what I was referring to, specifically. While I agree that an NDA is protective of said opinions - I was more so implying that changes from SE are unlikely, and thus opinions are unlikely to change. Of course, that's more premature than my other assumptions, which is why I worded it so carefully. Note that I am referring to changes in the base systems already in place, such as combat, crafting, and the such.

What we're saying is that nobody has really had the ability to provide an unbiased, unfettered analysis on how the game actually works, because regardless of your personal opinion on how the final product will turn out, it's still in a relatively unfinished state with several factors and mechanics missing. Christ, you're combative. Stop acting like a such a fucking martyr.

I'm simply responding to your hostility on the subject. Also, how is wanting a game to succeed by ensuring that the developers don't repeat dumb mistakes being a "fucking martyr"?

Edit: Nice ninja edit on your part

[Kirb]

I actually took that last comment out before you posted because it was an exaggeration on my part, so for that I'm sorry. But I'm curious, what dumb mistakes do you personally think SE is making right now?



And actually, more related to the topic, did anyone take note how exp distribution was altered based on the number of members in the group? I'm wondering how it scales from solo to a 15 member party.

[Waku]

People don't get it. Somewhere there's some great pics of FFXI when it was still in beta test. Even in beta is was reeeealy different, and broken. Even after it went retail the game changed drastically over time, and still does now.