FFXIV Closed Alpha/Beta Discussion (Cancelled for this week)

[Azurewrath]

I want to know exactly how competition is not a pvp aspect. Who are you competing against if it is not with other players (and their bots)?

Lol at thinking PvP is the only source of competition. That's cool man. I'm done talking to a wall.

An autistic wall

Sorry if I don't feel like reading 86 pages to confirm this, but I think I have a good summary of the debate so far:

FFXI: Worst game ever.
FFXIV: Worst game ever?

No

Pages 1-135= Discussing the topic

Pages 136-Present - People complaining about something they don't like about an alpha version of a game, and other people trying to drill into their heads that it's an alpha
And people who think it's a wicked idea to let everyone know how they hope the game will turn out.

I look at pages 136-present and think to myself.. Isn't this what the New Thread button was made for?

[Jinko]

This was pretty much Aion. Every boss turned into a dps race to see who got drops. There was a completely different claiming system though where anyone could come along and hit the mob you're fighting.

Personally, i liked that more than who claims first, but it's still flawed.

I was actually thinking along the lines of each LS/Team going into a seperate instance to fight their own boss the first to kill the boss from the moment they engage it get the item.

[Alderaan]

In a system like that (referring to the system the post you quoted quotes) you don't have to reward the group that kills the fastest. Like I said, define "best" the way you want. We could be arguing forever about what makes a LS worthy of items over a different one, so I won't get into that.

In the end you could even make the game randomize which way it wants the groups to kill the HNM every day. Those that came prepared for everything would win most of the times.

That would be interesting if possible.

[darkscion0]

MMOs dont really involve skill like you're talking about. Just knowledge

Bullshit. Reaction time can be considered a skill. How many people out there know they shouldn't be standing in the flaming icecream the boss just shit all over the floor, but they stand in it and die anyway.

[Azurewrath]

Edit: Fuck it, let's get back on topic, lol. This is fucking stupid. I vote we talk about the XIV Alpha/Beta

[Lunarhawk]

They should make it so it spawns 50 of the mobs at once but they don't aggro unless someone attacks them
then every group could get as many of them as they wanted and if there were some left when they finished killing one start another and keep going and going until they got the drops they wanted without having to worry about more of the NMs attacking them unless someone was stupid enough to AoE hit one of them

it couldn't fail

[Freelancer]

Well now to wait for the 13th and hope someone else streams.

[Jinko]

Edit: Fuck it, let's get back on topic, lol. This is fucking stupid. I vote we talk about the XIV Alpha/Beta

There isn't much to talk about lol, hence why we are all talking about crap.

They should make it so it spawns 50 of the mobs at once but they don't aggro unless someone attacks them
then every group could get as many of them as they wanted and if there were some left when they finished killing one start another and keep going and going until they got the drops they wanted without having to worry about more of the NMs attacking them unless someone was stupid enough to AoE hit one of them

Most abilities in 14 are AoE

[Jerseyprophet]

Edit: agreed. topic.

Im still browsing /v/ and googling for a site to download any of Pookys stream. I wouldnt dare ask on bg *wink*.

[Ashton]

Edit: Fuck it, let's get back on topic, lol. This is fucking stupid. I vote we talk about the XIV Alpha/Beta

Please do

[Shaskoru]

Lol at thinking PvP is the only source of competition. That's cool man. I'm done talking to a wall.

An autistic wall

Yea, that's exactly what I said. And way to address any of the other things I typed.

Edit: I'm all for getting back on topic as well. The sheep will remain sheep and my message got across to those who count.

[Azurewrath]

*awkward*

Soo... Uh.. yeah... those Lalafels... they're pretty cute huh...

yeah...
*undoes my shoelace and does it back up*

Haha... it was loose.....

*checks texts even though I know I didnt get one*

*pretends to reply to something on my phone*...

...yeah... highlanders.. haha.. plainsfolk..

..

yeah

[vrumpt]

I mostly agree with Shaskoru's point as well.

To be honest, when I first played FFXI I had all the time in the world to play it. Now, well, not so much.

IMO, FFXI was following the trend of MMO's before it, in terms of its core. As do all MMO's released post-WoW. What I hope to see out of a game like FFXIV, is a strong game that's able to hold a great amount of players and a game that allows me to spend most of my time PLAYING IT instead of waiting and waiting and waiting. Which IMO, was FFXI's biggest drawback. The game simply took too long to adapt to players that couldn't dedicate a plethora of hours to it in order to experience what the game had to offer, WoW has achieved that but perhaps a bit too extreme.

Judging from the rhythm of the first stages of the Alpha, and the interviews and info we have so far, it looks like SE is trying to do that with FFXIV and make it more accessible to those who play it.

PS: I absolutely hated HNM/NM camping. Please don't tell me a system that has you waiting for hours and hours for a 'chance' to fight said mob is an effective system. But then again, it is my opinion after all.

lots of this.

Everquest was released in 1999, FFXI in 2002. I don't even want to know when FFXI went into development, but i know when it did there was fuck all to look at for comparison. The game is terribly old, and despite all of that, SE still continued to try and adapt it to changing times.

WoW came out, along with a plethora of other MMOs over the years. In all of these the need for people to play for shorter periods of time became a necessity, and in the end SE tried to adapt FFXIs very old foundations to the changing times. In the end, we get things like Treasure Caskets and FoV. We also gain access to fight our favorite HNMs and NMs in instances like Nyzul Isle. New HNMs in WotG answer our calls (kinda) to help prevent botting. And end game progression in a ZNM model appears.

Point is, SE listens to our pleas, although not as much as say somebody like Blizzard, and from the opinions here its obvious that listening TOO MUCH is possible. Keep track of these Abyssea expansions; i would bet that this is SEs opportunity to make a "clean slate" so to speak for endgame content in FFXI.

With FFXIV, its all new built from the ground up in mondern times. Yeah its scary because a lot of the issues with FFXI took a long time to fix (and still aren't) but i'm gonna be a fanboy and say there is a good reason for it.

Only really have 1 concern right now with FFXIV: customer service

[iceynutz69]

We should make a new thread every time there's a new live streams so it's easier for SE to track and ban them as well as get all the retards to go in there and make stupid comments like last time.

[Lunarhawk]

There were 1600 people viewing the stream icey at one point in time. Probably at least 5k+ over the course of it at least. I don't think it was this board's fault.

[solracht]

Please do

OMG did you see Cait Sith in the alpha?

Spoiler: show

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5185/omgzs.jpg

[Lunarhawk]

Now that's a mithra I can get behind

[eunhye]

The fuck is this shit. I got off work hoping for more stuff on FF14 not any of this gay my dick is better than yours argument. Stfu and post more pictures/info.

[SephYuyX]

admin: removed as per NDA

[eunhye]

Oh man those are some AWESOME NAMES ;D