FFXIV Closed Alpha/Beta Discussion (Cancelled for this week)

[Khamsin]

I wouldn't even mind Dynamis too much, if it were instanced instead of having to fight every other LS for a decent time slot, and if the drop rates were a bit higher.

There's, what, 10 dynamis areas in FFXI? What if instead of having an instance, those 10 areas (servers?) were capable of being any dynamis you wish? So you could have 10 Tavs or 10 Xarcs going at once, if you wanted to, rather than having one or two of the servers in use and the rest idle. Would something like that be an acceptable compromise?

Because SE seems to have trouble with true instancing, and letting 10 groups do the dynamis of their choice at any one time seems better than SE-style instancing where only like two groups can go in at once and the rest get told to wait. May not be as good as having true instancing where any number of dynamis groups can enter at once, but it's better than nothing.

[Corrderio]

Something like DI/SW then?

Make the scanning memories go away!!!

[Hyan]

Because SE seems to have trouble with true instancing, and letting 10 groups do the dynamis of their choice at any one time seems better than SE-style instancing where only like two groups can go in at once and the rest get told to wait.

I'd like to think that the age of the game was the reason for that, but of course I could be wrong. Sounds logical to me though.

Are we talking about changing XI or XIV now though?

[Corrderio]

I'd like to think that the age of the game was the reason for that, but of course I could be wrong. Sounds logical to me though.

Are we talking about changing XI or XIV now though?

SE was asked about this in an interview, they said something about the zones being too big or something like that.

[Kirb]

Engine-related then, probably.

But seeing as SE plops even you into an instance in the very beginning of XIV, I don't doubt they'd be using it for endgame events.

[Sinzfeldt]

You said you didn't give a fuck after claiming that there was no specific mention of which parts that FFXIV will be borrowing from wow. I'm sorry that I interpreted that as more wow-hate, but I'm not sure how you expected it to be conveyed other than that.

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I agree on this mostly. Something similar to those systems would be cool, but with some tweaks of course.

Edit #2: Drop rates being one of the tweaks, imo.

FFXIV will be "borrowing" nothing from WoW maybe if you idiots didn't come in and insinuate that every single fucking thing about a game is copied/borrowed/stolen then people wouldn't get all defensive and these stupid debates wouldn't happen in the first place.

No matter what SE puts in the game it will be THEIR OWN IMPLEMENTATION therefore still unique even if like other concepts. That's the last i'm saying on it and inb4 the three musketeers.

[Jinko]

Damn this thread has fallen apart, personally I think both Wow fanboys and FF11 fanboys are just as bad when it comes to either comparing or jumping to conclusions of those opinions.

How about just letting someone have their own opinion and leave it at that, regardless of if its wrong or right.

I support the idea to start a new thread and have a Q&A for people who aren't in the Alpha assuming Alpha testers want to be bothered with that, its not like they have a lot of time to play the game after all.

[Corrderio]

We could always go back to talking about jumping >.>

[Hyan]

We could always go back to talking about jumping >.>

That's even worse.. damn.

And let's not even mention male miqo'te/female hoegadyn.

[vrumpt]

so when SE says 3 tests per week do they mean 3 different nights of testing or just the 3 regional tests 1 night per week?

[Shaskoru]

FFXIV will be "borrowing" nothing from WoW maybe if you idiots didn't come in and insinuate that every single fucking thing about a game is copied/borrowed/stolen then people wouldn't get all defensive and these stupid debates wouldn't happen in the first place.

No matter what SE puts in the game it will be THEIR OWN IMPLEMENTATION therefore still unique even if like other concepts. That's the last i'm saying on it and inb4 the three musketeers.

Yes, those wow idiots came in and magically made up that SE said they were borrowing concepts from wow. This was followed by a ton of defensive posts by them reinforcing their fake ideas based on the aforementioned false accusation. That's exactly what they did.

Out of curiousity, do breathe through your mouth? Or own an iPad? Or both?

[Sinzfeldt]

Yes, those wow idiots came in and magically made up that SE said they were borrowing concepts from wow. This was followed by a ton of defensive posts by them reinforcing their fake ideas based on the aforementioned false accusation. That's exactly what they did.

Out of curiousity, do breathe through your mouth? Or own an iPad? Or both?

You make about as much sense as a dribbling downs kid. Let it die.

[vrumpt]

Yes, those wow idiots came in and magically made up that SE said they were borrowing concepts from wow. This was followed by a ton of defensive posts by them reinforcing their fake ideas based on the aforementioned false accusation. That's exactly what they did.

Out of curiousity, do you know how to breathe out of your nose? Or own an iPad? Or both?

companies are going to steal good concepts and ideas from each other. companies are gonna take good ideas from wow that they want to use in their game, and wow is going to take concepts from new games that come out to enhance it. Good example of the latter is the 3D model viewing on the armory they took from Aion. Shortly after Aion was released Bliz announced their new 3D model viewing of the armory, this was to match Aion's 3D model viewer on their own armory. Aion might have gotton the idea from somebody else, but it was the first i saw it so i'm gonna say it was their idea.

If nobody stole any ideas from anybody else we would not progress as a society and wouldn't even have these wonderful games we have today. Get over it if SE used features that are in WoW. At this point, i am truly delighted that SE implemented "phasing" into FFXIV. They refer to it as instancing in the field, but its basically the same thing as phasing in WoW. This feature leaves great potential in both games.

EDIT: also i agree we should get a new thread soon, no point in having all this information in 1 giant thread.

[Hyan]

At this point, i am truly delighted that SE implemented "phasing" into FFXIV. They refer to it as instancing in the field, but its basically the same thing as phasing in WoW. This feature leaves great potential in both games.

Hmmm, what do you mean by that?

[Kiarax]

so when SE says 3 tests per week do they mean 3 different nights of testing or just the 3 regional tests 1 night per week?

99% certain it is 3 nights (so 9 tests per week). Last test was on Thursday, so maybe it's Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

[Jinko]

Hmmm, what do you mean by that?

You and party members being in the same place as others but in your own version of the same place, if you watched the Pooky stream you noticed just after she entered Limsa Lominsa she was placed in an instance in the bar area.

They seem to be doing it with mobs, for example if you pick up a guildleve only you and the party members who share that leve can see the monster that you need to kill and nobody can steal your mobs.

[Izzy]

I must be the only person who wants FFXIV to be more like WoW.

[Hyan]

I must be the only person who wants FFXIV to be more like WoW.

Yesss, Final Aion Fantasy of Warcraft XIV ftw, is that it?

EDIT:

You and party members being in the same place as others but in your own version of the same place, if you watched the Pooky stream you noticed just after she entered Limsa Lominsa she was placed in an instance in the bar area.

They seem to be doing it with mobs, for example if you pick up a guildleve only you and the party members who share that leve can see the monster that you need to kill and nobody can steal your mobs.

Oh. Doesn't sound like the kind of phasing I was expecting, but it's still better than full instance. Doesn't break the "open world" feel etc.

[Ghostsix.Midgard]

I don't give a fuck if they steal/copy/adopt the shit that works in other games, I just hope they don't stop there, and instead think, "hmm that idea is good, but how can we improve on it?"

Anyways if someone would compile a Q&A thread for alpha testers my friend would be happy to make short in-game vids addressing it.

also:

Yesss, Final Aion Fantasy of Warcraft XIV ftw, is that it?

This sounds awesome =D I wanna fly..
FFXIV character models, Aion character customization, flight, Warcraft patching system
bite me

[Shaskoru]

You make about as much sense as a dribbling downs kid. Let it die.

I'll break it down since this is a very difficult concept to grasp for you:

1) SE claimed that they are influenced by concepts in other mmorpgs, including world of warcraft
2) People speculate on FFXIV in general
3) Some of the speculation leaked into wow concepts
4) Fanboys, such as yourself, rage hard for no good reason
5) Thread shits up, wow supporters get blamed
6) Real information is lost between the speculation, rants, and ignorant fanboism
7) On page 170 of the thread, you out yourself as an ignorant fanboy bitch

Seriously, if you read my post and your IQ was greater than 70, you would have realized that I'm trying to promote a neutral position on the issue.

I must be the only person who wants FFXIV to be more like WoW.

Most mmos which are strikingly similar to wow do not do well since the majority of players that are looking to leave wow are looking for something that isn't wow. I'm hoping that SE has learned from blizzard's design and development decisions; but, I also hope that they try to keep the game challenging and "hardcore" in the sense of difficulty rather than time invested.