FFXIV Closed Alpha/Beta Discussion (Cancelled for this week)

[Kachi]

I don't see the point in having score boards to be honest, I would sooner have wow style achievements and I'm not paticularly keen on that idea either.

Duno why people can't just play a game and be happy they did something, why do you need to feel you are the best ?

I think if anything just have it like FF11 where the BCNM's are timed, the fastest players are logged and at the end of the week/month they get to choose an item before its reset.

A proven quality of what makes something "fun" is that it gives the person a feeling that they are improving their own competence. To that end, score boards provide a level of peer feedback. Some people aren't very competitive and wouldn't use the information in that way-- it's certainly not a requirement for fun, but there's nothing abnormal about finding it fun, either.

[Kirb]

What is this "public element"? Why does lacking it make score systems pointless?

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[Lunarhawk]

I hacked my 360 so that the gamerpoints I get can be used in the market place
0wn3d

[Spoony]

There is a good chance that one dude wasn't responsible for pooky and whomever else getting banned. He is just being vocal about it.

You fuckers are getting dumb. This is only good for humor! You are not going to change shit! Stop taking it personally!

How fucking ironic would it be if that homosexual got banned tho? Fucking ironic and humorous. Good to ya whoever sent it in.

[Kachi]

What is this "public element"? Why does lacking it make score systems pointless?

If you really want an answer, I can provide one, because feedback publicity is a subject of frequent research and I'm quite familiar with it.

However, I get the sense that you're just trying to disagree by lazily asking rhetorical questions. That would be a fine argument tactic if I were just spouting my opinions and theories, but my comments stem from a factual basis in psychological research literature. The study of what makes games fun is essentially the emphasis of my PhD.

Not feeling the abrasive-by-default vibe I get from every person here who disagrees with what I say because they don't understand. Earnest curiosity is another matter.

Edit to clarify: scores are not "pointless" without publicity at all. However, in the context we were discussing them, they are pretty worthless sources of feedback. What does 5 stars and a time tell you about your performance in a boss fight if you don't compare it to someone else's? It doesn't tell you much of anything. Comparing it to others however will probably tell you that you could have done better.

[Azurewrath]

Yeah man, good job to the guy who sent it in to SE. I hope they ban him, just to see his nerd reaction.

[BRP]

If you really want an answer, I can provide one, because feedback publicity is a subject of frequent research and I'm quite familiar with it.

However...

Dude just answer my question! IT ISN'T RHETORICAL. To repeat: What is this "public element"? Why does lacking it make score systems pointless?

I am especially interested in the second question. Right this instant there are thousands of people playing emulated or ported shooters with no "public" scoreboard. The only person who can see their score is them.

The study of what makes games fun is essentially the emphasis of my PhD.

Oh man, that sounds terrible. (Feel free to post it though. For "peer-review")

Not feeling the abrasive-by-default vibe I get from every person here who disagrees with what I say because they don't understand. Earnest curiosity is another matter.

Pussy-shit, man.

EDIT: That's wonderful, your entire post was useless and then you just edit something worthwhile in. Should have just said what you said in the edit.

What does 5 stars and a time tell you about your performance in a boss fight if you don't compare it to someone else's

Why can't that "someone" be the YOU, the player? Why can't you compare previous best? Well, you certainly can! Everyone does! Sports or videogames.

EDIT: And on the contrary, the scores of other people are not very "helpful" - outside some motivation. (Watching them play is though.)

[Uzor]

Point systems are superfluous for the most part. This is especially true if it doesn't work side by side with that players actually do.

Just need to make shit harder. Punish player mistakes more. Have monsters circumvent the more common player strategies. I don't think SE has much interest in doing this though or they don't try hard enough.

SE said that if you use the same strategy and pattern, the mob would adjust accordingly to counter it.

Depending on how they do this (and not just "lulz, you used thunder, I is now resistant"), it could be a good way to have mobs circumvent strategies for longer fights. Didn't they also say the same mob could spawn with various different traits?

[iceynutz69]

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[Pookypoo wannabe]

I reported Kaelia for breaking the NDA the other day, was shocked at the quick response. Maybe SE support is getting better even if the response might have just been a brush off...

Response from SE:

"Dear Customer,

Regarding your request for Square Enix Support. Please find your answer below.
We are very appreciative that you have brought this to our attention. We will make sure your concern reaches the appropriate management personnel. If you have any additional comments or concerns please contact us
Thank you for contacting the SQUARE ENIX Support Center."

Wonder if it'll actually do anything

i can't express how thankful i am to you, i hope they will ban his ass

[Purplekjw]

I'm not suggesting something similar be implemented in XIV, though I think it could be nifty. But y'know what MMO achievement system I really liked?

...Guild Wars. There were all those things for exploring a percentage of the continent, or consuming a certain item, or killing a certain amount of something, and so much more that I can't even remember, it's been so long since I played.
I just remember there were a huge variety of achievements. I was awed at the time, and I had a lot of fun gaining some of them.

[BRP]

Adding achievements for exploration is a sure-fire way to kill the mystique of exploration. Just like adding item rewards.

[Vacht]

I reported Kaelia for breaking the NDA the other day, was shocked at the quick response. Maybe SE support is getting better even if the response might have just been a brush off...

Response from SE:

"Dear Customer,

Regarding your request for Square Enix Support. Please find your answer below.
We are very appreciative that you have brought this to our attention. We will make sure your concern reaches the appropriate management personnel. If you have any additional comments or concerns please contact us at http://support.na.square-enix.com
Thank you for contacting the SQUARE ENIX Support Center."

Wonder if it'll actually do anything

They should, with the bank theyre making nowadays. Buyin' out Eidos and all that.

[Hyan]

I did like exploring in GW a lot, but that's because I never really expected to see any reward from doing it- that's why it was pretty surprising to see that I didn't venture out to middle of nowhere just to see how far I could get. I was actually rewarded for doing so in some other way too.

But if I went out to the wild in hopes of reward only, then that would surely kill the point.

[quannum]

has bg's big kills (the best part about this forum in 2006) been mentioned itt? well it has now, deal with it.

[Lunarhawk]

so what time eastern does the jp test start?

[Spoony]

so what time eastern does the jp test start?

Whatever the local time it was posted as, subtract an hour from the end time to figure out the start time EST...or something.

[Pookypoo wannabe]

Adding achievements for exploration is a sure-fire way to kill the mystique of exploration. Just like adding item rewards.

oh please no achievements, thats what i hated the most about WoW, making it a race won't help the game and no achievements for killing bosses please i don't want to stop going to dungeons/instances before i even start because i don't have it XD.

[BRP]

has bg's big kills (the best part about this forum in 2006) been mentioned itt? well it has now, deal with it.

bringing that back for xiv, just you wait

[Vacht]

I really didnt like exploring in XI until i got trotters. I dont even remember the name of the boots prior to the r/ex version. Sold em, forgot em.

One thing that sucked also about exploring in XI was that there really wasnt much to be found, because it was like they had made everything have a specific purpose leaving you having to go somewhere for a reason, and exploring was kind of provided based on where you needed to be. Although I do remember running around a lot at level 5, and a buddy of mine getting killed by the sea horror through a wall, lol. We thought it was an awesome giant squid, or octopus attacking the ship like in movies, and really was just glitchy.