alexander/odin speculation

[lazarius]

So with those 2 new avatar being impleted in march update; what you guys think will be the requirement to get them?

i think: alexander: have beaten him in the mission storyline

odin: have seen him in mission cs, or have one of each tier einherjar feather that you exchange for the item to enter the battlefield


and second tough, i just watched the video of part 4: avatar in vanafest live steam thread, you clearly see the summoner using astral flow...casting alexander, alexander perfect defense then released. Summoner astral flow another time and summon odin

does that mean astral flow will become an ability or what? since he used the ability 2 time in 40 sec? what you guys thinking?

[Mayareira]

EDIT: nvm

It could be for demonstration purposes I guess.

[Anomander]

does that mean astral flow will become an ability or what? since he used the ability 2 time in 40 sec? what you guys thinking?

Do you even play the same game? Secondly, 10 seconds of research on wiki would have answered your question. (Protip: Astral flow lasts 3 minutes)

[Wakabo]

does that mean astral flow will become an ability or what? since he used the ability 2 time in 40 sec? what you guys thinking?

They are the creators of the game. They could astral flow over and over and over and over and over. They could make the SMN chainspell if they get bored too.

[Wakabo]

double post

[mdkuser]

I doubt you have to do anything in einherjar, would completly fuck the average player/ starting SMNs.

There are several unused places in Aht urghan.

I'm betting the unused tidal gales in arrapago reefs ( map 1 and 2) or the unused map 11 ( behind door @ The ashu talif ) will be for Odin.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ar...eef/Maps#Map_1

Could also be the unused Island in Mount Zhayolm ( Island at F9, enter with an unusable door at D11 in halvung)

ALexander should be the special floor of the last TaU mission, maybe a 101th floor from assaults.

[jimbobsonofgod]

I hope the requirements for each is to have fought and won them both .... but probably not.
Like the other avatars that were based off of missions you'll probably just need ToAu cleared.

I'm going to guess the portal where you fight mythic NM(which is just nyzul port) for alexander and somewhere in the mire for Odin.

[Rocl]

I hope the requirements for each is to have fought and won them both .... but probably not.
Like the other avatars that were based off of missions you'll probably just need ToAu cleared.

I'm going to guess the portal where you fight mythic NM for alexander and somewhere in the mire for Odin.

Well to be fair, by clearing ToAU you do fight and win against Alexander. Also where you fight Balrahn IS where you fight Alexander I am fairly certain.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Well to be fair, by clearing ToAU you do fight and win against Alexander

Yeah but only place you fight odin is in Hazhalm Testing grounds

[Meian]

But you see Odin Prime in the CSes. I was thinking it would be some side quest or something regarding Luzhalf (sp) who would help you and I guess you borrow his power or use him as a link to Odin of some sort. If it is Einherjar I'll be pissed but I highly doubt SE's cruelty would reach that far considering it requires Astral Flow to begin with -_-

Alexander would be smart to use beating ToAU since there was mention of possibility of using his power someday or something like that.

[Tomino]

While it should be a given that both avatars require a BCNM fight, I really don't see why they'd make you fight Alexander all over again while there's already a 6 ppl battle available.

Concerning these new avatars and their unique BP, there're a few things I didnt quite get:

Astral Flow lasts 3min and any summoner can usually squeeze 3 different BPs within that given time. Even 4 maybe with the proper -BP reductions.
So how is this gonna work with the two?
- Alexander could "keep" the buff for the whole duration of AF as long as you stay alive. Since AF cuts perp cost, SMN would basically grant a 3min defense buff.
- Odin? Didnt see the video but i can guess he comes in, Zantetsu and then automatically leaves? That would mean you either have to re-summon him each time or that you're granted only 1 Zantestu per 2h, which would be lame.

Also, I wonder if the avatars are ever gonna do anything else 2h-ing when summoned. Not even a single melee attack from Odin?

[Freazer]

it seems that the summons are only available after u 2hr either way both summons look bad ass and cant wait for em to come out... it will change the way people smn burn greatly

[Thorny]

it seems that the summons are only available after u 2hr either way both summons look bad ass and cant wait for em to come out... it will change the way people smn burn greatly

Spoiler: show

do any of the idiots going on about odin in summon burn really think SE is going to leave it functional? summon burning in general will be gone before cap goes up, much less odin making it uber

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[Plow]

odin's should be changed to seppuku tbqh

[Shalafi]

I'm mostly curious of about the workings of AF with these avatars.

Both new avatars will appear and do the summoner’s bidding only when Astral Flow is in effect. Be aware, invoking one or the other will automatically initiate Astral Flow, the effect of which will end upon the avatar’s release.

This implies that AF can end in less than 3 mins if you release Odin or Alex and I am curious to know if it will last longer if you keep your avatar out (lol, maybe Alex but can't see it for Odin).

[Draylo]

Well at the end of TOAU it was said that a portal was open inside Alexander's old armor or something of that nature. I am sure it will be a BCNM type deal after you complete TOAU to get Alexander. For Odin I am not sure, might be the same BCNM.

[Gergall]

While it should be a given that both avatars require a BCNM fight, I really don't see why they'd make you fight Alexander all over again while there's already a 6 ppl battle available.

Diabolos says hi

[Hookah]

Diabolos says hi

THANK YOU

17 posts before someone mentioned Diabolos?

They'll both be seperate BCNMs from the TOAU mission and Einherjar, just like Diabolos is a seperate fight from the CoP mission.

[Tomino]

Diabolos says hi

CoP Diabolos was originally a lv40 capped BCNM. Introducing an uncapped Diabolos Prime BCNM could still be considered "new content", as much as an uncapped Odin Prime BCNM.
An Alexander BCNM would be pretty much identical, less the Blue NPC that you fight before Alex, unless memory fails me.

And I'm still amused by the fact a summoner ends up summoning the whole mechanical robot because SE was so lazy they didnt even designed the true Alexander prime form.

[Windfoxster]

Haha at least you hope SE won't ask you to go around chasing "Dark Rider" and fight him for avatar...