alexander/odin speculation

[Shalafi]

Yup, exactly what I was thinking. SE already said you cant summon Odin or Alexander unless AF is active and it will use it for you if you try to summon them. Then, once called, they remain active for 3 minutes using their abilities. The next question could be is if there is a MP charge every few seconds for them being out as opposed to the flat out MP = 0 effect of other special BPs. This should be an interesting situation regardless.

They haven't said anything about lasting 3 minutes. Also, no avatar has perp costs while AF is active, why would these?

will end upon the avatar’s release.

The question is, what happens if I don't release? If Odin is killed by a gang of mobs, can I re-summon, can I summon another avatar and use their 2hr BP?

SE did say that Alex's and Odin's BP strength would depend on the amount of MP spent didn't they?

Doesn't actually say spent

- Damage reduction and resistance rate will vary with the summoner’s remaining MP.

- Amount of damage dealt and accuracy will vary with the summoner’s remaining MP.

I would wager a guess that however much MP you currently have is used in the calculations; therefore you either don't lose MP and are able to survive/have other options if things go awry, or you lose MP and are SOL when the avatar is beaten to death.

Given SE's track record, I'm not keeping my hopes up.

[Gunitsoldier]

Mana Boost + Zantetsuken in Salvage ftw?

[Kaylia]

Mana Boost + Zantetsuken in Salvage ftw?

Every monster are NM. It probably wont be any different than any avatar

[Miroku_Asura]

From Elmer's write up:

As Summoner climbs towards the new Level Cap, all Avatars will be receiving new Blood Pacts.

Maybe there's still hope for these guys 76+ because they're 'too powerful for a normal Summoner to handle... something something Carbuncle something something complete etc...'.

[Thiefami]

I don't know about you guys, but the fact that I will be able to /rdm and use refresh to have no mp cost on any avatar could out weigh anything these avatars bring to the table; add convert and as a smn you're laughing (as long as you don't pull hate curing yourself).

lol, but perp cost goes up the higher level you get. I'm sure avatars will raise in cost with your level. Refresh, and convert will still be very helpful though.

[Tomino]

From both the vanafest video and the most recent wording, I'm guessing that Odin/Alex are unique because they *don't* cost you mp when they 2H BP.

- If you think about it, it's not Astral Flow that consumes all of the summoner mp. It's the 2H BP that does so. Simply put, Odin's 2H BP doesnt. This opens to some nice uses, mostly because SMN will still retain all of his mp after the Zanetsuken; this means even if he's supporting healing / buffing, there's no reason not to Zantetsu.

- The "remaining mp" criteria feels like a nice addition to avatars. SMN always had the problem it was hard to relate to their avatars stats or to simply boost them. Now, Odin and Alex give players the chance to work on a specific gear setup (+mp) focused on maximizing their BP powers.

[Fou-Lu]

36 smns using Odin in Odin's Chamber
one can only dream...

[Colenzo]

ITS GOING TO COME OUT ALREADY, YOU CAN STOP ALL THE SPECULATING, JUST WAIT FFS YOU IMPATIENT A.D.D. RETARD SUMMONERS!

[Qtipus]

36 smns using Odin in Odin's Chamber
one can only dream...

On Odin Server to boot?

Bet that'd cause a server crash...

(Or at least 36 simul-disconnects)