BG Doctor: Hijama

[Kaylia]

Infant mortality, overall pollution in indrustrial areas and other problems related to the lack of resources plays an important factor there.

Life expectancy doesn't prove or disprove much.

Pretty much my point. He is the one who brought the "chinese live 15 years older" in the first place, which is complete bullshi, and doesnt say anything about alternative medecin...scam.

[Vigilia]

im no doctor, but dont they suck blood from your veins and not your head and back through small cuts when you're donating blood? <_>

It's all the same blood that goes through your body though, not like your head has a separate circulatory system. End result is the same, your body loses 300-600ml of blood.

It's a really old practice used over history in many countries around the world and still used as alternative medicine in many. It's not a question of it "getting popular", it's always been around since ancient Egypt and probably before then. It's just like with many things with improved communications and internet it's becoming more widely known by the general public and spoken about.

[Faris]

its getting widely known, because of its simplicity, positive results AND modern means of communication. modern communication helped communicate the simplicity and results to the public..

there are numerous ancient treatments that dont get popular in our present time because there are better alternatives. (considering side effects, tools, expertise, price/feasibility)

this is recommended because its cheap, and can replace some chemicals/medicines

[Keria]

Donating blood is probably cheaper than this bs.

[kuronosan]

Blood letting is very retarded. I won't even get into why.

[Takedown3]

just get u some leeches

[Kyreth]

just get u some leeches

Truth. We mostly gave up on that in the early 1800's...

http://winchurchill.com/wp-content/u...g_1350040c.jpg

...but leeches are actually used in modern medicine. The effect of leech saliva keeps blood flowing to areas where blood would normally coagulate at an injury, choke off veins and arteries, and kill the tissue in question. In short, proper use of a leech can save fingers, toes, or entire limbs.

Not shitting you, look it up.

This, on the other hand....no. Just no.

[Restrat]

just get u some leeches

no! leeches put chemicals into your blood to prevent clotting... and chemicals are evil.

[Cadsuane]

This is some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard of. I can't believe we actually had some stupid hippy seriously defending holistic medicine too.

[Sylphet]

As far as Hijama goes, no thanks for me. However the debate over western vs holistic medicine is, in my opinion way too polarized. The truth is that both have merits and to completely discount one as being either hippy bullshit or corporate hegemony is just being short sighted.

The most deadly biological substances on this planet are not things that man has made. They occur naturally (e.g. curarae, snake venom). As well, much of the foundation for modern medicine comes from naturally occurring substances (e.g. penicillin is from a mold). All modern medicine did was to discover the structure of the molecule and synthesize it artificially. It is ignorant to assume that thousands of years of medicinal use are wrong simply because it doesn't come from a pharmacy. If anything these plants/animals deserve to be studied more thoroughly so that the active substances in them can be identified.

[Woozie]

Hate to take away from an almost valid point, but why do you think they tend to live 10-25 years longer than the average American lol?

Clearly correlation implies causation. Especially since their average life expectancy is apparently a whooping 103.2 years. That's amazing.

[kuronosan]

As far as Hijama goes, no thanks for me. However the debate over western vs holistic medicine is, in my opinion way too polarized. The truth is that both have merits and to completely discount one as being either hippy bullshit or corporate hegemony is just being short sighted.

The most deadly biological substances on this planet are not things that man has made. They occur naturally (e.g. curarae, snake venom). As well, much of the foundation for modern medicine comes from naturally occurring substances (e.g. penicillin is from a mold). All modern medicine did was to discover the structure of the molecule and synthesize it artificially. It is ignorant to assume that thousands of years of medicinal use are wrong simply because it doesn't come from a pharmacy. If anything these plants/animals deserve to be studied more thoroughly so that the active substances in them can be identified.

This just in, glass bottles are active substances!

I guess I'll chime this time. Look, all this is saying is that it drains the blood so that immune complexes that normally cause problems don't cause as much. Meaning if you're having back pain, it's designed to drain the blood so that the levels of chemokines and pain receptors drop so that you don't feel it anymore.

It doesn't solve the underlying issue, all it does is the same shit getting cut does. You bleed, you lose stuff, and you claim to magically feel better when you don't.

Call me when putting a hole in your back cures cancer. Until then, stop talking about this shit.

[Sylphet]

Clearly you have a problem reading. I said one thing about Hijama and that was that I'd never try it. The rest of the statement was regarding people who ON EITHER SIDE polarize their arguments regarding whether or not holistic medicine is or is not effective. I was talking purely about pharmaceutical applications - not fucking bleeding people.

FYI I have a PhD in Biology and am a research scientist. Yes, this means I know what I'm talking about.

[kuronosan]

Clearly you have a problem reading. I said one thing about Hijama and that was that I'd never try it. The rest of the statement was regarding people who ON EITHER SIDE polarize their arguments regarding whether or not holistic medicine is or is not effective. I was talking purely about pharmaceutical applications - not fucking bleeding people.

FYI I have a PhD in Biology and am a research scientist. Yes, this means I know what I'm talking about.

No, it doesn't. It means you have a failure to recognize sarcasm in addition to a failure to recognize when someone is addressing the rest of their sentence toward someone else.

Maybe you should have taken your doctoral studies in English.

[Sylphet]

Temper temper angry person. Your sarcasm thinly veils your contempt at views that you consider to be ignorant (or lets face it just plain stupid). It's a common issue with overly educated people (yes I have been known to do it myself). Also, if you're going to quote someone's entire post - you pretty much are indicating a response to it.

But seriously, if someone uses a treatment and feels better after it, does it really matter if it's psychosomatic?

And really a PhD in English? Even I'm not that much of a glutton for punishment.

[kuronosan]

Temper temper angry person. Your sarcasm thinly veils your contempt at views that you consider to be ignorant (or lets face it just plain stupid). It's a common issue with overly educated people. Also, if you're going to quote someone's entire post - you pretty much are indicating a response to it.

But seriously, if someone uses a treatment and feels better after it, does it really matter if it's psychosomatic?

And really a PhD in English? Even I'm not that much of a glutton for punishment.

Touche, good sir. Touche.

If you've read any of my babbling posts on psychology and the psychosomatic response of medications then you'd know I'm all about placebo-effects if they induce a positive response.

I just don't like it when people herald it as the solution to medicine because then people who really need medication end up believing that this will help when it will more than likely have no effect or make the problem worse (re: anemics, leukemics, and people with blast disorders or underlying genetic defects such as cystic fibrosis).

That's all I was saying. No anger meant, it's just as a microbiologist I get tired of the rhetoric (that and I have issues expressing what I mean).

[Sylphet]

I'm not a sir

My issue is mostly when people totally close themselves off to actually THINKING about things. This is something that has been seen on BOTH sides of the equation (often occurring at opposite extremes of scientists vs clergy). It then takes heroic effort to change the existing dogma. Examples of dogma that changed in Biology:

: The war between chemical and electrical synapses - what they can BOTH exist??
: DNA > RNA > Protein ALWAYS... oh wait retroviruses? prions? damnit
: Marilyn Kozak (cause the woman's viewpoint drives me crazy)

Equally I have issues with people who think they're experts in something but don't really know what the hell they're talking about - which is the most likely thing to encounter on internet forums of course.

I simply wish that people would keep a more open mind about things like holistic medicine. Is some of it garbage? yep Is all of it? no

Want to see me get really pissed off about something? Start talking about the fucking moron parents who don't want to get their kids vaccinated.

[Faris]

why are people pissed off over this? <_>

give it a break seriously. donating blood can probably get you money, but this procedure is piss cheap, and sometimes for free and the result comes from the location of sucking the blood.

you havent tried it nor you have information on the procedure/result, yet you call it stupid; narrow minded much?

[Kerberoz]

detoxifies the body

= instant bullshit.

Want to "detoxify" your body? Check out these bitches.

[Mayareira]

It actually works, its been used for centuries(was still common just 50 years ago?).

Its just that with the advancements in the medical field there are more time and cost effective methods out there.