Random Question Thread VIII: Wait, There's a Sticky?

[mdkuser]

DA is checked first (it is possible to Double Attack an Assassin's Charge WS).

And yes, that information is accurate (I was surprised too but I had this discussion with them awhile back).

Basically, roughly speaking:

Dancing Edge has fTP of 5.1875 total, 6.1875 total if Dual Wielding (no Gorget in either case). 5% Double Attack adds 1 fTP 5% of the time.

1/5.1875 = 19.3% improvement. Multiply this by 5% and you get +0.964%, which is very easily beaten especially on a low base damage job. Note that this increase will be even smaller if dual wielding, if using gorget etc...

This logic seems fine to me anyway, although it appears a bit simple too...

You are missing a 0.95 term. If you do not dualwield, and have 100% accuracy, and dont take tripple attacks into account, it's more like:

w/o brutal

fTP=5.1875

w/ brutal

fTP=5.1875*0.95+6.875*0.05

improvement=(5.1875*0.95+6.1875*0.05)/5.1875=+0.9638% but its the same idea.

If you dualwield:

w/o brutal

fTP=6.1875

w/ brutal

fTP=6.1875*0.95^2+2*7.1875*0.05*0.95+8.1875*0.05^2

improvement:+1.8%

what exactly do you put on earring that's better than 1.8%?

[Neosutra]

So looks like Brutal > Delta for unstacked WS, but Delta comes close or beats it for stacked due to base damage increase in addition to WS modifier?

Or am I misreading all of this?

[Meian]

Prolly topics on this but wasn't sure what to use for search...

Reinstalled FFXI on my laptop with the Ultimate Collection but updating from school says over 9 hours.

Was there a place where I could get all the updates quicker? And if so, how would you go about installing it?

[Eldelphia]

Pld (we bring at least one) pulls, bases size of pull on the mob type and mp. Once in range brds sleep, blms/rdms stack sleep. We have a rdm or pld in PDT cure the sleepers and max hate moves to keep stuff off sleepers. Dual targeting or single targeting depends on the mob.

Only really annoying mobs in t3 are clusters and high HP black dragons. Stun the clusters, and keep the black dragons silenced and stun body slam.

Thanks, this is what I wanted to try next time I went in. glad to know I'm not mad.

[mdkuser]

So looks like Brutal > Delta for unstacked WS, but Delta comes close or beats it for stacked due to base damage increase in addition to WS modifier?

Or am I misreading all of this?

The idea is rather that delta is better when /notNIN. No idea why anyone would care because /NIN is the best DD sub.

with /NIN brutal is certainly better due to DA being able to proc on both hits, main and sub.

delta= 2CHR 2DEX. dancing edge is 30% DEX 40%CHR mod. if you ignore the rounding part, that's equivalent to 0.3*2+0.4*2=1.4 WSC.

I personally WS in about 120 STR and DEX, and 120*0.3+120*0.4=84.

base dagger dmg= 34
fSTR cap= 11

so delta earring improves unstacked Dancing edge on average by

(34+11+85.4)/(34+11+84)=+1.08%, and LESS if you have roundings happening ( likely)

FOR stacked DE it will be less than that and certainly less than 0.96%


Conclusion: delta earring is equivalent to brutal earring if you are /notNIN and for unstacked WS, other wise brutal is better.

[Kurai]

Finally done with Trial 1057 on Amano, but now onto the soul draining grind that Trial 1058 will be. Any suggestions for Vermin-type mobs that's "soloable" with a pocket RDM?

[Not Kuno]

Finally done with Trial 1057 on Amano, but now onto the soul draining grind that Trial 1058 will be. Any suggestions for Vermin-type mobs that's "soloable" with a pocket RDM?

Chigoes?

[Kurai]

Chigoes?

Does it still count? I know Chigoes die instantly from WS, maybe I'll try it out tonight/tomorrow.

[ZhiGaruda]

Does it still count? I know Chigoes die instantly from WS, maybe I'll try it out tonight/tomorrow.

Sounds perfect to me, haha. You might find them insta-dying to crits annoying when trying to TP up, however..

Or better yet, TP on Marid, WS on Chigoe

[DAKPluto]

I'm sure I know the answer to this, but just random "I got no sleep last night so mind getting dumb" question...

Could it possibly be more beneficial in the long run as a WAR and THF to do 5 DEX merits over STR? Could it possibly be a case that I could free up enough DEX in my gear sets from merits that I could gain more STR in the long run?

[fantasticdan]

Does it still count? I know Chigoes die instantly from WS, maybe I'll try it out tonight/tomorrow.

IIRC chigoes one shotted by crit/ws/ja don't grant exp, so it may not work.

[arshesney]

Can blu and dnc land their enfeebles on Odin in einherjar? With a decent success rate? Never taken either to odin :s
Or what about the offensive abilities of blu big 3 or SA cannonball?

Big 3 are worthless (yet Disseverment poison may stick, but never paid attention to it), just stick to SA(+TA) Cannonball.
I didn't try many debuffs, but (with HQ staves) Frightful Roar and Actinic Burst are easy to land.

[ZhiGaruda]

IIRC chigoes one shotted by crit/ws/ja don't grant exp, so it may not work.

From lolWiki:

Chigoes can be instantly killed by any critical hit, weapon skill, or damage inducing job ability, including Steps and Flourishes (even those which do no direct damage), however doing so will often result in a failure to receive drops or experience from the kill.



Next idea!

Spiders are weak and plenty in Kuftal / Boyahda Tree.

[toqabowl]

Finally done with Trial 1057 on Amano, but now onto the soul draining grind that Trial 1058 will be. Any suggestions for Vermin-type mobs that's "soloable" with a pocket RDM?

Knight Crawlers in Crawlers Nest should be EP to 75.

[Callisto]

Is there a minimum window for Strongman?

[Windfoxster]

Does it still count? I know Chigoes die instantly from WS, maybe I'll try it out tonight/tomorrow.

Well, i do not have an amano but while i am doing my trial on treant in Grauberg [s], i saw an amano sam running around killing chigoe so you can give it a try.

[Francisco]

Finally done with Trial 1057 on Amano, but now onto the soul draining grind that Trial 1058 will be. Any suggestions for Vermin-type mobs that's "soloable" with a pocket RDM?

Boyahda Spiders
Kuftal Spiders
KRT Beetles
Bhaflau/Wajoam Spiders
Garlaige Beetles
QSC Beetles
Attohwa Damselflies
Aydeewa Crawlers
CN Knight Crawlers (maybe Rumble too?)
CN Wespes
Cauldron Bees
Attohwa Scorpions
Attohwa Antlions (probably?)

Just a few off the top of my head.

[ZhiGaruda]

Well, i do not have an amano but while i am doing my trial on treant in Grauberg [s], i saw an amano sam running around killing chigoe so you can give it a try.

Hm, you know, it could be hidden in the wording. Maybe the mob has to have the ability to grant EXP: I.E. Easy prey or higher..but you don't actually have to recieve the EXP. So perhaps Chigoe's will work.

[Windfoxster]

Hm, you know, it could be hidden in the wording. Maybe the mob has to have the ability to grant EXP: I.E. Easy prey or higher..but you don't actually have to recieve the EXP. So perhaps Chigoe's will work.

Yeah, that is what i think too. Cause that sam didn't just test it on 1 chigoe, he went round and round for a couple of hrs.

[Francisco]

The downfall is, critical hits will also instantly kill a chigoe, so that could wind up being counter-productive.