Iran's Ahmadinejad: Sept. 11 attacks a 'big lie'

[Kuya]

Here's more on his speech, link also has a translation, which i will also post:

As I reported in January, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has begun taking the line that the September 11, 2001, attacks by al-Qaeda on New York and Washington were actually stage-managed by US "Intelligence," to create a pretext for American invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. This view is not widely shared among Iranians or Iranian politicians. Iran itself lost nationals in Afghanistan and Pakistan to assassination by al-Qaeda or the Taliban, and Shiite Hazaras in Afghanistan were massacred by the same forces. Then-president Mohammad Khatami expressed warm condolences to the US after the attacks, noting that Iran had suffered from terrorism as well. Iranian young people held candle light vigils for the victims.

Ahmadinejad's recent speech to the Iranian Intelligence Ministry reiterates this 'truther' crackpot conspiracy theory about 9/11. The speech also demonstrates a Manichaean vision of history, in which the virtuous Islamic Republic is ranged against the forces of capitalism, which he says was invented by Zionists and which is intrinsically belligerent, war-like, exploitative and genocidal. (This analysis of the capitalist system as fomenting aggression and war comes not from Shiite theology but from Lenin's analysis of the outbreak of World War I, as a capitalist war over control of markets.) Ahmadinejad's looney assertion that capitalism was invented by 'Zionists' is ridiculous, since capitalism developed in early modern and modern Europe and Zionism as a movement did not amount to anything until the late nineteenth century at the earliest. But the trope of an essentialist connection between Jews, capitalism and exploitation is a commonplace in the literature of anti-Semitism, and is probably the origin of this bizarre allegation.

Not only is Ahmadinejad the Iranian equivalent of a truther, he is also the mirror image of the Christian Zionists. That brand of evangelicals in the US believes that the establishment of Israel throughout geographical Palestine, i.e. the complete annexation of the West Bank and perhaps the expulsion of its Palestinian residents, will hasten the return of Christ.

Ahmadinejad holds the opposite. It is in his view the collapse of what he calls the Zionist regime and the emergence of a state for all Palestinians, whether Jewish, Christian or Muslim, that will provoke the Promised One to come. In Shiite Islam, the promised one is the return of the 12th Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi, the lineal descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. In Muslim folk belief it is sometimes alleged that when the Mahdi comes, Jesus will also return, and they will join forces to prepare the world for the Judgment Day. When he was in Damascus on 25 February, Ahmadinejad spoke thusly when meeting with Syrian Muslim clergymen, as broadcast on the official Vision of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1 radio channel that day, and translated by the USG Open Source Center:


'The day on which the Lord of the Age (REFERENCE to the 12th Shiite imam) and Jesus (peace be upon him) will come and spread monotheism and justice in the whole world, is close. Understand this. The final move has begun. God willing, with the destruction of the Zionist regime, the prophets' mission will be fulfilled. Today, the settings of the stage for the resurrection of Jesus and endeavors to prepare the ground for the re-appearance of Imam Mahdi, are factors which make up the axis of unity of all those who have faith in the holy prophets.'


Because there will be a lot of propaganda around all this, I want to underline that Ahmadinejad did not then and has never called for the violent destruction of Israelis or Israel. He rather expects the 'Zionist regime' peacefully to collapse, as the Soviet regime in Moscow did. It is that peaceful collapse that will apparently in his view herald the return of the 12th Imam, the Mahdi, and of Jesus Christ.

Translation of Ahmadinejad's speech:

Iran: President Ahmadinezhad Says 11 September Attacks 'Big Lie'
IRNA
Saturday, March 6, 2010
Document Type: OSC Translated Text . . .


Tehran, 6 March: President Mahmud Ahmadinezhad had said: The arrest of

Abdolmalek Rigi (the leader of rebel Sunni group Jondollah) has humiliated the intelligence services of the US, Britain, and the Zionist regime [by his televised confession that he was working in tandem with the CIA to blow up mosques and other sites in Iranian Baluchistan -JC].

Ahmadinezhad, who was speaking at a meeting with the minister, deputy ministers, managers, and personnel of the Intelligence Ministry, congratulated the auspicious birthday anniversary of the prophet of light and compassion, His Holiness Muhammad al-Mustafa (peace be upon him) and the birthday anniversary of Imam Sadeq (Sixth Shi'i imam) (peace be upon him), IRNA reported on Saturday (6 March), quoting the presidential website. He said that the Intelligence Ministry's personnel are the best collection of Hezbollahi (members of Party of God; meaning pious) forces and added: Today, the Islamic Republic of Iran's intelligence system is the most virtuous intelligence system in the world.

The President said that the Lord of the Age's Unknown Soldiers (intelligence forces) have a divine and sacred mission. He said: The Intelligence Ministry should be the most coordinated, organized, powerful, and flowing (Persian -- Ravantarin) organization in the country.

The President said that the purpose of man's creation was to establish a world government based on monotheism and justice. He added: Throughout history, devils fought against prophets and pious people. The climax of man's fight against devils is taking place in our time. Today, the devils show that they are gathered at the forefront of the world arrogance.

He added: Man's nature is a divine and heavenly one. When man's thought and nature are limited to worldly affairs, then he will have no option but to fall.

The President said that capitalist thoughts have resulted in plundering, bullying, and the killing of mankind's essence. He said: Liberal democracy is the result of a fight between power and wealth. The US-led world arrogance's front against the Islamic Republic is the climax of the fight between the monotheism front and devils.
The head of the Supreme National Security Council said that all vices in history have gathered in the arrogance front. He said: The crimes committed by the world arrogant are unprecedented in history. Today, the heaviest massacre and terrorist actions in the world are carried out by their (the arrogant of the world) accomplices by raising the flag of human rights.

Ahmadinezhad said that the materialist thoughts were challenged and Marxism was destroyed after the emergence of the Islamic Republic. He said: Thanks to the grace of God, the capitalist system founded by the Zionists has reached the end of its path.

The president added: US invasions and NATO's military expedition in the region are merely aimed at saving liberal democracy and the capitalist school of thought.

He said that the September 11 attacks and the demolition of the Twin Towers in the US were a complex scenario carried out by the intelligence (Persian -- Eqdam-e Ettela'ati). He said: The 11 September event was a big lie. It paved the way for the military expedition to Afghanistan under the pretext of fighting with terrorism.

Ahmadinezhad referred to the arrest of Abodlmalek Rigi by the Soldiers of the Lord of the Age (the Iranian intelligence forces) and said: The arrest of this terrorist bandit has humiliated the intelligence services of the US, Britain, and the Zionist regime. . .

(Description of Source: Tehran IRNA in Persian -- Official state-run online news agency, headed as of January 2010 by Ali Akbar Javanfekr, former media adviser to President Ahmadinezhad. URL:http://www.irna.ir)

I sometimes wonder if he just laps this up for the right wingers in Iran because he's not clergy.

[Demosthenes11]

fair enough

i pretty much post on ME stuff here + The Office (best show ever!)

its ok, all of my posts have got to do with me being a douchebag and thats about it

[Blarg]

Uhh, it's pretty obvious that explosions were involved in the fall of the towers. You don't have to look too close to notice fire which is the primary component of explosions which are just compressed fire that gets released.

[Faris]

inc trolls

[Kuya]

The trolls were always here, even before this thread was born.

[Blarg]

Trolls attack bridges not towers

[Kuya]

I think the tower must have been on the bridge.

[archibaldcrane]

I think Captain Kirk is on the bridge.

[Blarg]

You mean picard?

[Elvis]

http://www.mindflame.net/images/picard.png

You rang?

[Pirian]

I say Glenn Beck did it.

He hasn't come forward to falsify the claims, so until he does we can't leave that option off the table.

[Cadsuane]

we settled this, it was the jews and this guy called Glenn Beck

One of these days you should try defending an argument you've made instead of backpedalling the moment someone disputes it.

You rang?

Internet badass made me think of "is drg gimp?/drg isn't gimp!" threads from gamefaqs back in 2005 for some reason.

[Faris]

one of these days you should chill the fuck out, before you post.

i was replying to a troll

[Cadsuane]

My bad. I meant this post.

i didnt say the government did it you imbecile, learn to read. stop crying

[Faris]

My bad. I meant this post.

kuro is butt hurt cus i said i dont believe the u.s government when they say Al Qaeda did it, i never said the government did it.

and apparently, on BG people get pissed off if i say "i dont know" especially when its about 9/11.

[Cadsuane]

kuro is butt hurt cus i said i dont believe the u.s government when they say Al Qaeda did it, i never said the government did it.

and apparently, on BG people get pissed off if i say "i dont know" especially when its about 9/11.

Yeah, that's a backpedal. Remember when I corrected you on that and showed you the speech straight from Bin Laden's mouth admitting responsibility for 9/11? Or did he lie too? You're sure it wasn't Al Qaeda, so the US government is lying about it being them, and Al Qaeda themselves are lying about it being them, but the US government isn't necessarily responsible for 9/11. Well that leaves Elvis Presly and the fairy fucking godmother as our only remaining suspects at this point, because the very notion that it was a group of ultra fundamentalist muslims who publically air jihadist rhetoric and terrorist threats is patently absurd.

[Blarg]

Firas, where were YOU on the 11th? Is that bomb residue on your hands!! Account for your whereabouts sir or I will be forced to take gigantic leaps in logic

[Faris]

i was at my girlfriends house getting a bj. srs

then we went out for dinner, and we spoke about. her name was jodie, she reminds me of jenna jameson.


cad you're going in circles now, you wanna think im "running away" from the brave battle ground, so be it. i spoke about bin laden's 2 statements.

/hands cad the crown of the great forums debate to the death battle of 2010.

gratz well earned

[Cadsuane]

And that's what we call posturing. The sensible thing to do at this point is admit that you're wrong and that your thinking was sloppy. Everyone here would gain a tremendous amount of respect for you which is a marked improvement over you being the laughing stock token muslim guy.

[Faris]

but im not wrong.

keep posting