Kindred Seals

[Eole]

Only Gravity or Bind, AFAIK.

[byte]

You are full of shit, the PLD cardian becomes extremely evasive and takes almost no damage if you sapm spells on it. The very first run I did it took forever to kill it because someone casted dia/flash or w/e.


Anyway. If you want to waste your seals solo or duo ods, that's fairly easy with melee+DD. If you want money do RR, that's 250k+chance of a second ingot per run, and ODS doesn't come close. RR is trioable with a good RDM/WAR, MNK/BLU, RDM/WHM. A second melee makes is easy.

This. I have seen first hand, the PLD cardian become basically indestructable from casting only Flash on it and no other spells.

[Draylo]

The bcnms must be very different for us then because I have casted on the kings every time and nothing happens, they don't become "indestructible" after a single spell lol.

[Mojo]

Well, there are 4 different kings. Maybe the spells that rage them are different for each one and relate to their job.

[Pharaun]

I doubt it, I've seen the Pld king Rage just from a pet wyverns breath attacks...

[Norellicus]

Adding another voice in the "magic = bad" camp, I've seen the self-haste and damage difference after just a single Flash. Goes from hitting for 150 to well over 300, with Deal Out getting into the quad digits.

[Mojo]

Do you happen to recall which cardian you were fighting that responded to Flash in that way?

Also, for people who are claiming that your spells didn't cause rage, which cardian were you fighting?

[Yugl]

I've noticed the mixed results upon casting on the King Cardian as well. For some runs, he'll wreck havoc if you cast one spell. On another run, our RDM spammed spells on him and it didn't change (Still, he's an idiot for doing so when we said not to). Perhaps it's related to the Vandiel day?

[Pharaun]

Most everyone seems to fight the pld king, but I know I've done the rdm king a few times.

I've never raged the rdm king, but all the times I've fought him we've been careful not to cast anything so that's not really much help.

For the pld king I've seen him rage from from the standard white and black magic debuffs (slow, para, blind, flash, dispel, dia, bio etc...), and from Wyvern breath attacks. I've also seen him rage before and after his 2 hour so that theory is bunk.

[QuePsiXI]

http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89828
http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89821
http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89762

Fucking sigh.

[BerenTebogo]

http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89828
http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89821
http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89762

Fucking sigh.

It's not too late! Get your ban-spray in a variety of flavors! You all know what must be done.

[Mojo]

http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89828
http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89821
http://bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89762

Fucking sigh.

Baaaaaaaaaaaw

This thread isn't a sticky and isn't already on the first page. I can see the logic behind putting it in the random question thread, although I usually reserve that thread for specific questions that a single knowledgeable person could answer (i.e. the main purpose of that other thread.) This thread was directed towards a broader audience, it's closer to a survey. Creating a unique thread for something like that is certainly justifiable.

[Silenka]

^

I too have seen the PLD king rage when one spell is cast on it. However, I have also seen it not rage when spells were spammed on it. I'm not sure what triggers the magic madness either. Just adding to the pile of testimonies.

[Draylo]

I have killed both RDM and PLD king and casted on them both, including the Queens and have not raged them EVER. The only time they ever raged for any group I was in that had magic casted on them was after we took too long after they 2hr'd. We had wiped for some dumb reason and we got back up to fight them and they raged, dealing more damage and taking a lot less. I really don't see how all you people have casted one spell on them and noticed a huge difference... I always cast on them EVERY time, are you guys going by a fight you had a long time ago? Or does this happen every time you do the fight.

[Gergall]

Or does this happen every time you do the fight.

I'm guessing they don't know because they never cast on them anymore.

Edit: For what it's worth I always throw Elegy on and it doesn't seem to do any harm. Songs must not apply to the whole rage thing, or maybe I've been lucky.

[Draylo]

I'm guessing they don't know because they never cast on them anymore.

Edit: For what it's worth I always throw Elegy on and it doesn't seem to do any harm. Songs must not apply to the whole rage thing, or maybe I've been lucky.

Ya that is what I figured.

[Byrthnoth]

I've done RR a dozen times or so lately. Lowest we went was 5 (one dualboxed WHM), but we probably could have done 4 if we'd realized we didn't need a melee to hold the WHM.

I suspect that magic damage/spells of the day rages the Kings, but I'm not sure they all rage in the same way. That magic damage could come in the form of a skillchain or magic. Last time I went, on my orb I tried to force rage on my orb at 20%. He didn't seem to get a huge Eva/Def boost like the PLD does, but he started spamming Bludgeon like nobody's business. I'll try it again next time and see what I can make happen.

Also, the kings kind of halfassedly share hate with the Queens, which is annoying.


Oh yeah, on my runs I'd just avoid casting magic of the day and had the melee avoid skillchains that could result in that element. Other than that, we'd do everything. So on Lightsday I was casting Dispel/Sleep for hate so I could kite the king away and such. Barring the time when he went Bludgeon crazy, nothing really seemed to indicate rage.

[Mojo]

Draylo -

What set of spells were you casting on them? Be as specific as you can, if you don't mind.

[Draylo]

When I was tanking one queen on RDM, I would dot her. Poison II, Bio II and keep those up. On the kings I would Dia II and enfeeble such as paralyze and slow. I have casted nukes in the past on the queen but they die so quick I didn't even bother. We usually went Queen(blm) > King (usually RDM since easier than PLD imo) > Queen (WHM)

Edit: Also had ninja tank hold the king as /drk and he would cast stun and other spells on it to keep hate.

[Beave]

I always used my KS on Royale Ramble. Used a 2x rdm/war setup (one to kite the king of coins using voke, and one to hold the queen of cups at the start), a whm to keep people alive etc, and 2 or 3 heavy DD (usually war or sam).

Simple strat, start with kiting rdm using voke on king of coins, other rdm/war grab queen of cups and take to start, while the DD kill the queen of batons > king of coins > queen of cups.

Really easy, lasts about 5 minutes, and you're 100% getting an o.ingot with a pretty decent chance of another ingot, or a dingot.

If you've got friends who like money and have seals to burn, this is a good way to get rid of some.

Also as mentioned, you really do not want to cast much/at all on these, especially the king because it makes them take noticeably less damage. In my attempts the most that was cast usually just Dia3 on each. Not really worth it to nuke/enfeeble them, because they are pretty weak as is. Longest attempt still took less than 10 mins (had an unfortunate event of the rdm/war kiting the king die before the blm cardian was dead).