Kindred Seals

[Yugl]

He is talking about the king, not the Queen blm.

He was talking about the BLM because of the potential for agas (i.e. DRK and BLU offer stun). It makes even less sense to justifying needing a DRK or BLU for the King Cardian.

[Draylo]

There is a king cardian that has BLM as a job...

[Yugl]

There is a king cardian that has BLM as a job...

True that. I wonder why no one chooses him though.

[Tulun]

True that. I wonder why no one chooses him though.

They don't like fighting the easiest one?

Seriously. King BLM is a *TOTAL* pussy. He dies twice as fast as the PLD, and he can't cure himself, or use an annoying two hour

As long as you have shadows on your melee, easiest one by far. If you don't want to find a blu or drk for it, well, then do it any other way. I just know how easy it is (and would never do any other King willingly).

[Yugl]

They don't like fighting the easiest one?

Seriously. King BLM is a *TOTAL* pussy. He dies twice as fast as the PLD, and he can't cure himself, or use an annoying two hour

As long as you have shadows on your melee, easiest one by far. If you don't want to find a blu or drk for it, well, then do it any other way. I just know how easy it is (and would never do any other King willingly).

It might have emerged due to two concerns (Not saying they cannot be addressed, but they exist):
- Time taken to kill the BLM pet gives the main cardian enough time to spam wtfagas on whoever is taking care of it
- The idea that casting Stun may trigger the rage mode may have deterred such efforts

That said, both are handled by BLU as you mentioned. I would still be wary of using DRK's stun until we figure out exactly why some people are seeing rage mode after one flash while others are not.

[Beave]

With RR, it's been a while, but i think I recall one of the TP moves wipes buffs. As tank, it may seem like he just got 20x stronger, but i think that was due to my pro and defender getting wiped off. Also, the hate is wonky. That is possibly due to the PLD's memory of shared hate even after the defeat of the queens. I could be wrong, but i am pretty sure he gets spammy with buff wiping.

Just going to assume you're new here for thinking defender and protect making enough of a difference that a good number of us saying magic makes these cardians rage hardcore. Also, you shouldn't be bringing a "tank" to royale ramble anyway unless you like being inefficient and leeching. If you use magic as if fighting a normal NM, it will rage, and it will rage hard.

[ronin sparthos]

It might have emerged due to two concerns (Not saying they cannot be addressed, but they exist):
- Time taken to kill the BLM pet gives the main cardian enough time to spam wtfagas on whoever is taking care of it
- The idea that casting Stun may trigger the rage mode may have deterred such efforts

That said, both are handled by BLU as you mentioned. I would still be wary of using DRK's stun until we figure out exactly why some people are seeing rage mode after one flash while others are not.

You could easily just have the blu sit back and wait to stun everything the BLM king throws out while the other DD tear into the Queens. Hm, I wonder why I never thought of trying the BLM king myself.

Ive done RR on BLU plenty of times and the physical spells do not seem to cause any rage that ive seen but pop Formless Strikes (dumb pickup MNK didnt know it was magic dmg lol) on the PLD and watch it go to work spamming the hell out of TP moves and attacking at lightning speed.

Lucky for me, in that run it quickly killed the MNK with Bludgeon before it could rage even more.

[Tulun]

It might have emerged due to two concerns (Not saying they cannot be addressed, but they exist):
- Time taken to kill the BLM pet gives the main cardian enough time to spam wtfagas on whoever is taking care of it
- The idea that casting Stun may trigger the rage mode may have deterred such efforts

That said, both are handled by BLU as you mentioned. I would still be wary of using DRK's stun until we figure out exactly why some people are seeing rage mode after one flash while others are not.

Fair enough. I've just never seen this sort of rage behavior (or it's mild compared to true rage), even with spell spam. DRK was my main and we just went gungho after the SCH incident.
BLU does way better than DRK if you can manage it, though, cause head butt is just broken on this set of mobs.

A /nin kiting the king is usually fine. It stops to cast a lot, so you can usually outrun him if a nasty -ga spell pops up. Plus the baby really does die in 1 good SC...

[Yugl]

Well, something good came out of this thread after all. I'll definitely try to remember to do BLM the next time I attempt this BC.

[Juravial]

For awhile, a group of us on carbuncle did RR with very nice success rates. (we failed 1/32 runs, the one being the first run).

Your tank will want tavnazian tacos, and I ate tacos with my blu just in case, but I'm supposing sushi would work fine. SAMs ate coeurl subs, and rdm had a few echo drops in case whm queen casted silence on him while he was holding her.

Buff up before you go in, and have the sams meditate to 300 tp. If you can, have one of the SAMs give the BLU shikokwhatever it is for 100% tp.

Our setup was:

PLD/WAR, RDM/WHM, WHM, SAM/THF, SAM/THF, BLU/NIN

I was the BLU.

The BLU pops out a cannonball on the king (we picked the rdm king), after buffing/shadows/etc. Then the blu runs all the way to the end of the hallway where the "run away" option is. Please don't run away, wait for the king to get to you, headbutt him, and run back toward the dias where the other players are fighting the blm queen.

You may have to recast your shadows after running away, but wait until he stops to cast some random spell on you.

The red mage, meanwhile, runs up to the queen cardian whm and physically hits it once with his sword, then runs toward the hallway. The cardian whm queen will not close, but it is essential to get her away from the black mage queen the DDs will be killing so she doesn't cure 5 him or curaga 3 him. Eventually, it will look like this:

Queen <--15feet-->Red Mage Player<--15feet--> DDs killing blm queen.

Meanwhile, the DDs and pld will slap that poor blm queen as if she were a redheaded stepchild. Generally, it takes about ~25 seconds to kill the blm queen if no sleepga, and 45 seconds if she sleepgas.

When the BLU brings the cardian king (rdm) back up, they immediately all get on the king (blm queen should be dead by now). RDM holding the other queen should continue to ignore the barrage of diaga 2s and banishga 3s, keeping SS and blink up. During the king fight, TA any ws you can onto the PLD, because its hard for pld to keep hate. When RDM uses his 2 hour, PLD should respond with appropriate job abilities and keep himself healed. Its very important for the RDM and WHM to focus on healing the pld to full at all times, since he has the ability to take rather random amounts of damage from king's tp attacks (or, at least ours did). BLU should headbutt spam the king, and I usually tried to take hate around when he did his 2 hour, mostly because I had shadows and if I died to the king it really didn't matter.

When king is dead, kill the whm queen, who is absolutely pitiful. If people die during the king (the pld died once or twice doing king), just raise and wait for him to get unweak. You'll still get about a ~15 minute clear time with this.

One time we did it with a DRG as a DD, and that worked ok, except he had an additional effect: elemental damage lance, which made the damn king rage (my blu with 125 str was hitting him for 0, and the pld died from a ws at full health...he was definately raging). We accepted the wipe away from where the cardians spawn (they aggro magic) and waited for him to regen to full health, and re-engaged him and defeated him just fine, then went on to whm with a clear time of ~22 minutes. Be careful of this, but if something like this happens then accept the wipe away from their spawn area and once he gets to full health he will stop raging. The reason I suggest SAM is b/c its easy to kill of the blm queen fast in the beginning, and for good hate control with TA'd ws during the king.

Hope this helps! ~Tatjiana

[Draylo]

I just laugh at all the fear of casting magic, guess nobody will care to test it and show their results. I will stick to casting magic on them though.

[ronin sparthos]

I just laugh at all the fear of casting magic, guess nobody will care to test it and show their results. I will stick to casting magic on them though.

Fraps a run and cast white/black magic on them. Post results.

[Tagus]

Fraps a run and cast white/black magic on them. Post results.

It would be fun to read about that. Good ol' Cardian rage + a WHM not carrying echoes (on my orb) caused the only intentional /dc in my ffxi career.

[Byrthnoth]

Well, I know I personally spammed spells on the king I was trying to hold hate on. On Lightsday it was stuff like Dispel and Sleep, on Darksday it was stuff like Slow, Para, etc just trying to keep him looking at me somehow without casting dark element magic or Grav/Bind. He never raged.

[Beave]

That's why we had rdm/war kiters! Regardless, most people are stuck in their ways for this ksnm it seems. I actually cannot remember a thread that was this divided in a long time.

[Tagus]

Going back and reading through this, I must say that this thread is enjoyable completely out of proportion to it's value. Has anybody else found it funny that one of the biggest RMT supporters on BG is totally clueless on how to run one of the most simple money-making ksnm's? God, any of the rest of us would get flamed straight to hell for that.

Can I solo it. That's rich!

[Draylo]

Hm, I haven't done KSNM in a while due to not really xping a lot. I have around 28 seals lol I could try and get the last two and fraps a video of me casting on them and no rage.

[pchan]

Has anybody else found it funny that one of the biggest RMT supporters on BG is totally clueless

I found it funny too. Mojo is another rdm-soloer-kid that can't read the wiki.