Ex-Perserverance, Dioma

[NynJa]

Its been 10 minutes with no reply, which means one of two things happened:
1-Someones attempting to photoshop some image of me buying gil, which will be rather pathetic, but not very surprising.
2-You guys realized you fucked up, and have dicks too small to swallow your pride and apologize for namedropping something like that.

I'm aware of what I've done in FF, both good and bad, I've never been afraid to admit my faults, like others are (see GM flag in SS's "its a plugin lurk moar"). But to blindly accuse me of RMTing my relic is fucking low, regardless of your opinion of me, and you fucking know it.

[Titanss]

But frankly, you're all a bunch of hypocrites, each and every one of you who fuck up and leave your wizbot GM flag on.

Maybe they just use it the same way you did.

[Howard Roark]

I'm not on anybody's side here but if Nynja is this mad, he must be right

[FailureMidgard]

Yes, I bot, I bot kings all day all night. As I said three years ago when that douchebag Remyo was trolling me, ffxiapp had more uses than claimbot. Majority of these uses are found in 'legit' third party software...map/mob radar (apradar), scripting (though Spellcast is probably more advanced and easier than what you can do with a ffxiapp script), ToD camper (timestamp), autotranslate (I know theres a plugin for this, I'm sure I've seen it). If you want to loop that shit in, then you're going to have to go all or nothing.

But frankly, you're all a bunch of hypocrites, each and every one of you who fuck up and leave your wizbot GM flag on. Don't tell me theres a windower plugin that does that, but then go "LURK MOAR" and fail to deliver any link. There is no link because its a fucking bot in use, I'm not retarded. Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining, your shit stinks just as bad as mine, and even worse you'll show the whole world you leave it running then go "noooooooope its not me".

I've never used wizbot...the flag you may have seen in screenshots I have posted is a LGM flag from Wardrobe v4...I'm not ashamed of it (like you apparently were), I don't try to deny it (like you apparently did). Player collision is fucking stupid, and turning it off is the best decision I have made in this game. How the fuck am I being a hypocrite? When have I ever said "I don't use LGM". I haven't even ever said I don't use wizbot, but I'll make now the first - I don't use wizbot. I never owned ffxiapp either for what it's worth.
You're the hypocrite here, you're the one who's grasp on logical reasoning is lower than my 1year old's. I'm sure you'll have an amazing response to this though. I'll give you an A+ on entertainment value.

[NynJa]

Maybe they just use it the same way you did.

Maybe they did, maybe. But you dont leave proof of the illegal shit you do in plain view of the public. There was once a time, people would look at SS's people post, and go "wtf dude, ffxiapp on the bottom", laugh and ridicule them. Now, people post SS's of them clearly using a bot, and its encouraged? Is this how times have changed on BG? The only reason my "botting" was caught was because a socially inept little kid wanted to be a hero after pissing off so many people, he hacked the ffxiapp site and got a list of people who own the software. And hey, after all the things he fucked up for the game, for BG, for SE...all of a sudden he was a hero. Pathetic...


Did you get that proof of me RMTing Failure, or are you still a representation of your name: Fail? I will agree with you on one thing, collision detect on FFXI really does suck.

[chiyio]

I've never used wizbot...the flag you may have seen in screenshots I have posted is a LGM flag from Wardrobe v4...I'm not ashamed of it (like you apparently were), I don't try to deny it (like you apparently did). Player collision is fucking stupid, and turning it off is the best decision I have made in this game. How the fuck am I being a hypocrite? When have I ever said "I don't use LGM". I haven't even ever said I don't use wizbot, but I'll make now the first - I don't use wizbot. I never owned ffxiapp either for what it's worth.
You're the hypocrite here, you're the one who's grasp on logical reasoning is lower than my 1year old's. I'm sure you'll have an amazing response to this though. I'll give you an A+ on entertainment value.

Still waiting for this IGE'd relic thread. Hell, I'll settle for the thread of a rumor of a thread about Nynja RMT'ing a relic. I'll set the bar of proof that low. (inb4 somebody posts a link to this thread )

[FailureMidgard]

Its been 10 minutes with no reply, which means one of two things happened:
1-Someones attempting to photoshop some image of me buying gil, which will be rather pathetic, but not very surprising.
2-You guys realized you fucked up, and have dicks too small to swallow your pride and apologize for namedropping something like that.

I'm aware of what I've done in FF, both good and bad, I've never been afraid to admit my faults, like others are (see GM flag in SS's "its a plugin lurk moar"). But to blindly accuse me of RMTing my relic is fucking low, regardless of your opinion of me, and you fucking know it.

3. I don't spam f5, but instead hit it once every 15-20min? My photoshop skills are abysmal. In any case, I didn't play the game then, but your credibility due to everything you've said today is damn near 0, whereas I've been told the same thing by Sonomaa, Kirschy, Viewpoint, Uryuu, and Sath at least (all of whom I value the opinion of). Feel free to argue with the rest of BG until you're red in the face, I'm just pointing out what I see, like the fact that you're trying to say that since nobody responded to you in 10 minutes we're obviously wrong - l oh fucking l, give me a break. See other post, I use LGM on Wardrobe v4, I can give you the exact file I used if you like...go to the Random Question Thread, I admitted to using it there also, and told some guy to PM me, and uploaded it already to my webspace for him. Would you like it? You can compare the flag, and what it does to screenshots you may have seen me post.

[chiyio]

3. I don't spam f5, but instead hit it once every 15-20min? My photoshop skills are abysmal. In any case, I didn't play the game then, but your credibility due to everything you've said today is damn near 0, whereas I've been told the same thing by Sonomaa, Kirschy, Viewpoint, Uryuu, and Sath at least (all of whom I value the opinion of). Feel free to argue with the rest of BG until you're red in the face, I'm just pointing out what I see, like the fact that you're trying to say that since nobody responded to you in 10 minutes we're obviously wrong - l oh fucking l, give me a break. See other post, I use LGM on Wardrobe v4, I can give you the exact file I used if you like...go to the Random Question Thread, I admitted to using it there also, and told some guy to PM me, and uploaded it already to my webspace for him. Would you like it? You can compare the flag, and what it does to screenshots you may have seen me post.

so you'll use something that does the exact same thing. Your moral superiority is that you couldn't afford the $15 for app and something does it for free now? I'm less than impressed.

*for the record, I'm also on the *list* I enjoyed my auto trans, and recast a year before windower did it thank you very much.

[NynJa]

Wardrobes GM flag = ok
Wizbot's GM flag = bad

Am I getting that right?


Funny, I've never spoken to half of those people who seem to have a distaste towards me. Kirschy, never spoken to her. Uryuu? Same thing. SNK I ran into a bit, never got the impression they disliked me. Sath is just upset I refuse to buy a Cuchulain mantle when I'll have no use for it, so he's labeled me. Other than that, I've never spoken to him.

[Titanss]

Maybe they did, maybe. But you dont leave proof of the illegal shit you do in plain view of the public. There was once a time, people would look at SS's people post, and go "wtf dude, ffxiapp on the bottom", laugh and ridicule them. Now, people post SS's of them clearly using a bot, and its encouraged? Is this how times have changed on BG? The only reason my "botting" was caught was because a socially inept little kid wanted to be a hero after pissing off so many people, he hacked the ffxiapp site and got a list of people who own the software. And hey, after all the things he fucked up for the game, for BG, for SE...all of a sudden he was a hero. Pathetic...

It was a different time then. BG (the ls not the forums) didn't put up with shit like rmt/botting in-game so that reflected on there forums. Jesus Christ on Bahamut if a ls wiped on a hnm the others linkshells would lot for the claim and all the linkshells respected that. As people quit and even higher profile players started quitting and getting money for their time they put into the game, peoples morals changed and that reflected on the forums. You can't really expect for it to stay the golden age forever.. maybe in XIV things will change again (MAYBE).

Edit: And yes I know you probably know the 1st part because you were active then. See the last for point.

[NynJa]

Wait Sath was friends with Aurik? That explains his beef with me...lol

[Weeks]

Because clearly fair play is exactly what you dictate it to be, right? Please tell me you don't use windower or spellcast, because it'd be pretty hypocritical to try to say botting is completely unethical and not fair play, but then turn around and use other things that are similar.

For someone so in love with logic, you sure are quick to keep making the same fallacious arguments I've been hearing in this game for the past three years. Quickly:

The argument is about the morality of your decisions. Convenient as it would be to sidestep that argument by accusing me of unethical behavior, that is absolutely not any defense of your own actions.

I in fact don't use Spellcast and suspect that Square frowns on its use.

I do use Windower. I even use the Recast plugin, which I acknowledge gives me a miniscule advantage over those who don't. I am willing to concede the moral high ground to those who don't, and wouldn't think twice about giving them the heave-ho if Square were to reverse their unofficial position on Windower.

There is a very obvious distinction to be made between tools which make your game a little easier and those which directly effect competition with other players. You know this just as clearly as I do, you are just one of many willing to tell yourself otherwise out of self-interest.

Also, what is your definition of a shell dead in the water? We "have to enrich our members with items or gil". Pretty sure any linkshell, botting or not, HNM or lot, will lose member if the never get any items. There's a few rare people that truly are happy never getting a single thing, but that's few and far between, and if you take any old shell and start cheating the members out of items or gil, I guarantee you there will be drama and people leaving.

While I doubt you actually have any trouble understanding what I've said, here goes: Keeping members motivated and happy is an even bigger challenge for shells where everyone sees a large portion of the shell's work going to a few members in the form of discounted relics. Without fail this challenge seems to be met by staying on the cutting edge of in-game cheating. Yes, other shells cheat too, but it is more pervasive in these shells because it has to be, and the net result is that the endgame community has adopted a form of nihilism to justify their actions.

[NynJa]

So has this proof about me RMTing my relic come up, or was it just another stupid witch hunt?

[FailureMidgard]

so you'll use something that does the exact same thing. Your moral superiority is that you couldn't afford the $15 for app and something does it for free now? I'm less than impressed.

*for the record, I'm also on the *list* I enjoyed my auto trans, and recast a year before windower did it thank you very much.

Perhaps I am mistaken, I was under the impression that GM flag from other things allowed you to walk through walls? My bad if so, as I said I've never owned it, so ya...Don't recall citing moral superiority either, I'm just stating what I have and haven't used, and pointing out how unlike Nynja, I am not a hypocrite. And really, why do people try to resort to stupid retarded baseless insults like I can't afford $15? Clearly that's the case. Any time someone doesn't order desert at a restaurant it's cause they can't afford it also, not because they just aren't interested.

Wardrobes GM flag = ok
Wizbot's GM flag = bad

Am I getting that right?

Nope, but I expect that of you by now.

Funny, I've never spoken to half of those people who seem to have a distaste towards me. Kirschy, never spoken to her. Uryuu? Same thing. SNK I ran into a bit, never got the impression they disliked me. Sath is just upset I refuse to buy a Cuchulain mantle when I'll have no use for it, so he's labeled me. Other than that, I've never spoken to him.

Did I say any of them dislike or hate you? They just recognize you for the liar, hypocrite, and moron that you are - kinda like I do. In any case, I'm not going to spend however long it would take to search 4 year old BG threads, because I frankly don't care. As I said, you have no credibility due to everything you've said in this thread and others, Chiyio has about the same amount, and the people saying you did do it - well, they seem to have a much stronger reputation than you do. Also, you left 1 name off the list. And finally, STOP LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE IN PEOPLE HATING YOU. They are stating facts as they saw them, not hating you.

[chiyio]

They are stating facts as they saw them, not hating you.

Haven't seen anybody that actually knows Nynja saying a thing against him. Not sure we're using the same definition of the word fact.

Also, you aren't looking for this RMT'd relic evidence, because you wont find it. You made it up. Plenty of people (who don't know him) hate Nynja, but this was totally unfounded.

Love how I have no credibility because I'm not hating on Nynja, and calling you out that you made it up, heh.

For what it's worth, I'm about the most loved taru on my server, and totally drama free

[Kipling]

I think this thread is less about Dioma more about Fail Vs. NynJa now. Can we rename it?!

[NynJa]

No, you're saying Chiyio has no credibility because he's a friend of mine, dont get shit twisted. dDEX/crit tiers were first thought up on the work of himself and Ravenlokk (gasp, another friend of mine). Those two were the first to point out any tier systems in the game, everything was thought to be linear. No, he has credibility, you're just trying to shut him down via your witch hunt, the very same one you're accusing me of trying to create.

Dont believe me? I made 5 posts on the lv99 speculation thread. Not one post of those was anything remotely close to any idiotic kinda posting you're referring to. Yet, all 5 posts got ignored, and on top of it, got further posts later asking the very things I mentioned in my post. No, there is a stigma towards it, had those posts been by anyone else, they'd have been taken noticed, but because its Nynja, fuck him.

[Cairthenn]

While I doubt you actually have any trouble understanding what I've said, here goes: Keeping members motivated and happy is an even bigger challenge for shells where everyone sees a large portion of the shell's work going to a few members in the form of discounted relics. Without fail this challenge seems to be met by staying on the cutting edge of in-game cheating. Yes, other shells cheat too, but it is more pervasive in these shells because it has to be, and the net result is that the endgame community has adopted a form of nihilism to justify their actions.

An inherent problem with this is I can assure you that not everybody in a Linkshell (even a higher end one) is going to necessarily want a relic. However, if - and that's a big if - everyone in the shell were to want a relic, that would logically imply that they're willing to put a large time investment in the game and in the Linkshell. It's essentially self-motivating; you'll get as much done as you and the people around you are willing to.

As Failure pointed out already, botting in this age is almost necessary to push for success (and if not necessary, extremely helpful). I'm not sure anyone really wants or tries to justify their botting in a moral sense (and if they do, they're probably moronic) as it is obviously against any terms set in place by Square Enix. However, if you're able to gain an advantage over others, both for yourself and your linkshell, through something such as botting, why would you not? Simply because it's against the rules? Well, I'm sure you've broken the rules too, and there aren't really any repercussions.

It's illogical to solely justify actions with "Well, everybody else does it" as you seem to be implying everyone is doing. I'm fairly positive nobody is, at least not exclusively. No doubt it helps circulation, though.

[NynJa]

And if you want to dig up the past, you might want to clarify my stance towards botting. I'm aware everyone does it, the ones I have always been against was the ones whod put a neon fucking sign over their heads and blatantly state "IM BOTTING LOOK AT ME TELE-CLAIM", the ones who had no care to be discreet. Hey, call me a hypocrite for this, I'm pretty sure I never hid these allegations.

[Howard Roark]

lol, the aesthetics of botting