Which weapons to upgrade!

[Daydreamer]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but why would you upgrade Otshivani for the +ATB rate when it loses that ability after it becomes Nue? Why not just go with hawkeye for the 200 stat increase over it?

[Atreides]

ohhh balls I forgot about that, lol

I guess Hawkeye it is!

[Julian]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but why would you upgrade Otshivani for the +ATB rate when it loses that ability after it becomes Nue? Why not just go with hawkeye for the 200 stat increase over it?

Wait what? >.>

[Atreides]

all of the Tier 3 weapons have their own Synthesized Abilities group, meaning while they'll keep the same primary ability (stagger lock, improved cure, etc) they have their own set of abilities that can be achieved with accessories that is universal regardless of which weapon was used to begin with.

So, a Otshirvani and whatever the rank 2 is will have the ATB charge ability with accessories, but Nue (no matter which of Hope's 8 weapons was used to create it) has its own group of accessory-derived abilites

[Maguspk]

I just got my first Trapezohedron from my 2nd Adamantoise kill but I don't know what to upgrade. What do you all recommend?

[Elcura]

Try for the Trap multiplication?

[Maguspk]

Try for the Trap multiplication?

I don't think I have enough gil to go up to *, but I'll try it at level 1.

Did not work for level 1. I will see if I can take something to max level and try it.

edit: Could only get Omega Weapon to level 88...

[Daydreamer]

I just got my first Trapezohedron from my 2nd Adamantoise kill but I don't know what to upgrade. What do you all recommend?

I'd say go with hawkeye. It seems like the only no brainer one to me since Hope is awesome at magic but blows for everything else, and since you lose the 'set bonus' on the ultimate weapons you may as well.

OR you could do what someone said earlier (maybe in another thread) where you use it to make that only ultimate weapon, get it to star level, dismantle it, and then get 3 back...

[Julian]

all of the Tier 3 weapons have their own Synthesized Abilities group, meaning while they'll keep the same primary ability (stagger lock, improved cure, etc) they have their own set of abilities that can be achieved with accessories that is universal regardless of which weapon was used to begin with.

So, a Otshirvani and whatever the rank 2 is will have the ATB charge ability with accessories, but Nue (no matter which of Hope's 8 weapons was used to create it) has its own group of accessory-derived abilites

Anywhere I can find a list of set bonuses that the ultimate weapons give?

I'm kinda confused..

Does that mean Lionheart and Axis blade lose their pairing effects when you transform them to the ultimate form?

[Atreides]

yes, Lionheart keeps Quick Stagger but loses the Random: Instant Chain/Gestalt/TP Boost; Axis Blade keeps ATB Charge but loses the ATB Rate Boost

and as far as I can tell the book doesn't list the abilities you can get with the ultimate weapnos and accessories

[Amiricle]

The ATB charge is fantastic with army of one. A single 'Army of One' attack ends up restoring 3 ATB bars (give or take) due to the number of hits with Enkindler, allowing me to pretty much spam that skill if desired. The loss of the pairing effect was originally why I was going to do Lionheart instead, but now I dont think I care lol.

[Daydreamer]

All of the ultimate weapons are considered 'independent' meaning that they do not belong to any 'item set' whatsoever. It sucks I know, but their stats tend to be SOOO much much higher that it makes up for it.

[Wakabo]

I know this could be a dumb question, but can you have 1 of each of the best weapons for each character? Like one for Max STR, one for the No break, and one for Max MAG. Shit situational stuff would be nice to have

[Gethsemane]

I was going to make a weapon upgrade guide, with pairing abilities and what not but I'm now at the end of Chapter 12 halfway through the zone and well, shit is crazy man. Now I regret not grinding for a couple of days. You definitelly cannot rush past enemies and try to get to the end of the game. It is like 10x harder for sure. I recommend everyone grinds in Gran Pulse before even doing the tower. Game is mad hard in the end, granted if you want each fight to last about 6-7 minutes being lower leveled that's your choice. I think I will actually restart the game at some point on a day off. Really don't feel like walking back to the portal thing in the level I'm at that takes me to Gran Pulse.

I will definitely grind my ass off this time around. No doubt about it. I'm about 48 hours in by the way but I really haven't done any grinding whatsoever or screwing around with the side quests in Gran Pulse. This game frustrates me. But if you go to gamefaqs the final weapon stats are in one of the FAQs, I think it's the first one by IceQueen or whatever. Some weapons focus only on magic, some only on strength and some are a little of both with one middle ground, even str/mag per character. Best way to test out stat increases per upgrade at stage 1 and stage 2 is to just save your game, level the weapon and then write down if it's +3 str +3 mag or +4 +1 per upgrade.

Anyways..... such a good game. Definitely need to grind though. It's no cakewalk at the end if you're under powered. Hell I suggest having the final abilities for everyone too. They're awesome during stagger. Only one I got was Snow's.

[Wakabo]

Final abilities? What is this? I am curious...

[Amiricle]

Probably means thier unique skills. Highwind for Fang, Death for Vanille, Army of One for Lightning, Cold Blood for Sazh, Last Resort for Hope, and Soverign Fist for Snow.

[Ronfar]

I just got my first Trapezohedron from my 2nd Adamantoise kill but I don't know what to upgrade. What do you all recommend?

If you use Fang as a Com, I did Dragoon > Dragonhorn > Kain's Lance and it is beast. It has no Mage stats on it, but I can still land debuffs on anything that can be debuffed. I'm 3/5 on capped jobs and her STR with gear on is like 3.3k. Bitch is a wreaking ball.

[Maguspk]

I should have said I use Lightning/Sazh/Vanille pretty much exclusively, occasionally switching Snow in for fights way out of my league for tanking if I can't zerg a particular enemy down.

[BerenTebogo]

So I just maxed Helter, what stone do I need to make it lionheart?

[Lbelle]

Helter and Lionheart are two completely different weapons