That Lady Was So Fast She Killed Herself

[Cream Soda]

Almost as dumb as the bitch who held her bladder till she died, but at least she was going to get a wii out of it.

[Pooky]

Wouldn't this make jesus a sinner? He allowed himself to be killed for our sins, which is pretty suicidal. Then again, he had reraise on so maybe that negates the dieing for our sins part.

Therese a difference between altruisic suicide (self sacrifice) and anomic suicide (hot topic). Bible's pretty clear on being ok with altruistic; Jesus, no greater love than this ect.

Also there's nothing wrong with fasting, as stated several religions do it, the body can last longer than 26 days without food; I bet the autopsy/tox screen comes up with something.

[sy.ste]

As far as I know there is nothing in the bible that says people who commit suicide will go to hell. The bible just makes a couple of references to people who did commit suicide.

[AidenCarby]

It's a fast way to get yourself killed.

I see what you did there you sly devil you ^.~

[brisk]

Almost as dumb as the bitch who held her bladder till she died, but at least she was going to get a wii out of it.

Don't humans piss themselves when they die? No matter what, well player sir, well played.

[Faris]

Uterine fibroid tumors

Fasting can often be especially important in situations where drugs or surgery have been recommended. When uterine fibroid tumors contribute to pain and excess bleeding, a hysterectomy — removal of the uterus — is often recommended. A proper fast will often dramatically reduce the size and effect of these tumors. I have treated numerous women who have been able to successfully avoid hysterectomy using conservative methods. Ovarian cysts and cervical dysplasia also often respond favorably.



Back and neck problems

Back and neck pain are remarkably responsive to conservative care. In my institution I utilize fasting, rest and exercise, improved posture and body use, and when appropriate, chiropractic manipulation and physical therapy. It is interesting to note that often patients with chronic pain who have received extensive treatment, including drugs, surgery and manipulation, will experience dramatic improvement through the use of fasting.



A case history

I recently treated a young man, a Natural Hygienist since birth, who had been in a severe automobile accident four years ago. He had suffered with constant neck pain and headaches since the accident. His greatest concern was his tendency to pass out unexpectedly. Apparently the dysfunction in his neck had interfered with the autonomic portion of his nervous system altering blood flow to his brain.

After a period of four weeks of care, which included a fast, followed by careful re-feeding and, in his case, spinal manipulative therapy, this individual made an excellent response. At his three month follow-up he reported complete absence of neck pain and headaches and had not felt faint or passed out since his stay at the Center.



Cardiovascular disease

Most cases of cardiovascular disease are also responsive to conservative care. In 154 consecutive cases of high blood pressure [hypertension] that I have fasted, 151 (98%) have been able to achieve and maintain normal blood pressure without the use of medications. [Complete details of this study will appear in an upcoming issue of Health Science.]

Angina and intermittent claudication are examples of conditions that will often respond rapidly to fasting. Often patients can achieve freedom from pain and medications within a few days or weeks. It is not unusual to see cholesterol levels drop as much as 100 points with diligent effort.



Gastrointestinal disorders

Disturbances of the gastrointestinal system — including esophagitis, gastritis, colitis, constipation, bloating, and the symptoms associated with so-called “candidiasis” — usually respond well to conservative care.

My most recent case of gastrointestinal disturbance was a young woman with severe colitis [inflammation of the colon]. She reported severe, constant bleeding through the rectum. She said that despite continual medical treatment with cortisone, implants, and a wide range of other medication, she had bleeding with every bowel movement for eight years. Her physician had explained that surgery would have to be performed.

After we had eliminated her medications, a period of fasting was undertaken. Within a week, the constant pain was resolved. By the 10th day, the passing of blood and mucus had stopped. After two weeks of fasting we began to carefully feed her. Her bowel movements were blood-free from the first. At her three-month follow-up she reported feeling great and completely free of any significant bleeding or problems.



Diabetes

Many chronic degenerative conditions respond well to fasting and a Natural Hygiene lifestyle. Diabetes is no exception.

Working with diabetic patients is very satisfying because the consequences of the disease are so devastating and the results with conservative care are usually so dramatic. Most adult onset diabetics can be brought under control and freed from the use of insulin and other medication through the use of fasting and a carefully followed diet and lifestyle program. Such a program will allow most diabetics to achieve a high level of function and the ability to maintain normal sugar levels without medications.



There are exceptions

Not everyone is a candidate for fasting. There are a number of factors to consider before a fast is recommended. My procedure is to first review the patient’s medical history and perform a comprehensive physical examination including appropriate laboratory or specialized diagnostic tests. I then review my findings with the patient and make appropriate recommendations. These may include dietary and lifestyle recommendations. These may include dietary and lifestyle changes, exercise programs, etc., and, when indicated, fasting. When fasting is indicated, patients stay at my institution.

Not every individual or every condition will respond to conservative treatment. Occasionally medical care may be necessary. When a medical consultation or treatment is indicated, the safest methods available should be utilized.



Where to fast

With the possible exception of very short fasts in acute disease — such as a cold, fever, etc.— all fasting should be undertaken in an institution under the direct supervision of a doctor trained in fasting supervision. A certified member of the International Association of Hygienic Physicians would by far be your best choice.

Fasting in an institution offers several advantages. The most important is the constant availability of an experienced doctor to guide and advise you. Most institutions have an educational program designed to help you better understand Natural Hygiene — the science of health. The benefits of being in a clean, quiet and emotionally supportive environment should not be underestimated.

In addition, a timely and proper termination of each fast is critical to the long-term success of the patient. Fasting under the supervision of a trained, qualified doctor is your best assurance of a well-conducted, beneficial fasting experience.



A Case Study:

Chronic gastrointestinal disorder

“A woman came to the Center recently who had suffered chronic constipation for more than 20 years. She complained that she had not had a single spontaneous bowel movement during that time without the assistance of enemas, colonics or laxatives.

“She fasted with us for a period of 12 days, during which time she experienced mild discomfort and referred low back pain. On the fifth day of feeding after the fast, she was having spontaneous, normally formed bowel movements — and she had continued to have them since.

“The long-term follow-up for people who stay on the Natural Hygiene dietary program is excellent. Chronic constipation is definitely a problem that people can learn to live without.”

Alan Goldhamer, D.C.



A natural process

“Fasting, or the abstinence from food, is a means used in nature by all creatures from the beginning of time. Either by instinct or intelligence this means has been used to assist the body to relieve itself from discomfort, pain and disease.

“Regulatory and reparative processes of the body are given unimpeded encouragement by the temporary omission of food. No other form of health care can boast the rewarding and gratifying results in the elimination of disease and the restoration of health.

“Fasting, once considered a fad, has gained acceptance not only by a constantly increasing segment of society — and has also earned the stamp of approval by many in the scientific community.

“Under qualified and experienced supervision, fasting is the greatest gift which can be given to an overburdened, sick body without benefit of any other form of therapy or treatment.”

William Esser, N.D., D.C.





An empowering rest

“Fasting is simply a process of deep physiological rest. This rest period helps you rebuild functioning power and recover from the energy dissipation caused by hectic daily schedules and abusive living habits.

“When outside stressors, dietary and therapeutic influences are eliminated during the fasting state, fasting reveals the baseline status of your body. This enables you to become more sensitive and connected to your body. This connection fosters a greater awareness of the instinctive biological and emotional requirements that are essential for the maintenance of health and wholeness.”

Frank Sabatino, D.C., Ph.D.



Unfounded fears about fasting

“Unfounded fear is a peculiar state of disease within the imagination, arising largely out of a lack of knowledge.

“If we are slaves to unfounded fears, we are also slaves to beliefs and practices and action which are inconsistent with our well-being. So it is a matter of necessity that we understand fasting and all its facets if we are to overcome the fears that are associated with it.

“Many people attempt to solve the problems of life, the distresses of the body and the anxieties of the mind with food and drugs. They have great fear about not eating because they have experienced the headaches, the weakness and distress they associate with it, and they are convinced that food and drugs are the answer to their problems.

“How can you convince someone that going further without food is a matter of necessity for the recovery of his health? Only through knowledge and enough suffering to change his attitudes.

“The best way to dispel unfounded fear about fasting is with knowledge — knowledge that breeds confidence, confidence that engenders beliefs, and beliefs that result in correct action.”

D.J. Scott, D.C.



Making wise decisions

“Not everyone is a good candidate for fasting. Many factors need to be considered before a fast is undertaken. Not every condition will respond optimally to fasting and conservative care alone. Occasionally, medical care may be necessary.

“At the Center we have established good working relationships with some of California’s best specialists. When a medical consultation or treatment is indicated, the safest methods available should always be utilized.”

Jennifer Marano, D.C.





Heightening your awareness

“A wonderful thing about fasting is that it puts an interval between the behavior that you are accustomed to and the behavior that you aspire to. We tend to be creatures of habit, and the ways that we are accustomed to eating and living feel as natural to us as breathing. That is why it is so difficult for people to stop bad habits. But fasting brings your present lifestyle to an abrupt halt. It gives you an opportunity to pause, reflect and decide how you are going to conduct your life afterwards. This enables you to make a break with your past and set off in a new, more positive direction.

“There is nothing routine about eating after a fast. Each meal is a celebration. After fasting, you tend to be very conscious about what you are eating, and why. Fasting heightens your awareness, as well as your appreciation for food. By fasting, we learn to eat with reverence.

“It is the non-doing aspect of fasting that enables us to make behavioral stopping and pausing and interrupting our usual patterns, as we learn to take more conscious control of ourselves.

“There is no better way to stop a vicious cycle of self-destructive behavior than by fasting.”

Ralph C. Cinque, D.C.

and yet again, a good example of pure ignorance to a very beneficial, healthy practice.

[antihero]

>implying religion is healthy

[Cadsuane]

inb4 Fira- oh, fuck.

@OP, I'd say darwinism works, but the fucking amish are still averaging six kids a breeding pair.

[Pooky]

>implying religion is healthy

From a sociological standpoint, it most certainly is.

[Pirian]

From a sociological standpoint, it most certainly is.

And from a sociological standpoint, it most certainly isn't. Funny how sociology works like that

[ZarakiKujata]

inb4 Fira- oh, fuck.

@OP, I'd say darwinism works, but the fucking amish are still averaging six kids a breeding pair.

they are also an isolated population who doesnt really harm others so w/e (hopefully you can prove me wrong so I can be my usual hardcore atheist.). If only all fundamentalists could be like them.



+ they make awesome butter and other foodstuffs.

[Priran]

I have to know, is the thread title a typo ("..So Fat...") or a lame pun on the word fast

Don't humans piss themselves when they die? No matter what, well player sir, well played.

she didn't die from holding it in, she died of hyperhydration because they were forcing her to drink bottled water

[ZarakiKujata]

lame pun on fast.

[Priran]

op I am disappoint

[Pooky]

And from a sociological standpoint, it most certainly isn't. Funny how sociology works like that

Isn't it fun?

[Cadsuane]

they are also an isolated population who doesnt really harm others so w/e (hopefully you can prove me wrong so I can be my usual hardcore atheist.). If only all fundamentalists could be like them.



+ they make awesome butter and other foodstuffs.

You'll learn the error of your ways when the amish have outbred every other ethnicity in the world and we're all bowing to our new bearded overlords.

Srs though, I suppose all I can pin on them is that they're stupid throwbacks just like this wench seems to be. All the same I really don't think pacifism is a carte blanche to moral unassailability. Sometimes it's fun to wax objectivist/nietzchean like that.

[Jaybar]

And from a sociological standpoint, it most certainly isn't. Funny how sociology works like that

Isn't it fun?

There's a difference between theological meaning and misinterpretation. Of course, it also depends on which religious background you are arguing about. I assume this is about the New Testament and Christianity.

Spoiler: show

Just so you know, Christians don't follow the Old(er) Testament like they do the New Testament, but include it so as to understand the New Testament better. Everyone knows how craaazy the Old Testament is. Poligamy, harem, incest -- fuck, let's follow this shit, amirite? I say this because a lot of spite about Christianity seems to stem from Old Testament context (note: I'm not talking about actions of an individuals misinterpretations)

[Pirian]

There's a difference between theological meaning and misinterpretation. Of course, it also depends on which religious background you are arguing about. I assume this is about the New Testament and Christianity.

Spoiler: show

Just so you know, Christians don't follow the Old(er) Testament like they do the New Testament, but include it so as to understand the New Testament better. Everyone knows how craaazy the Old Testament is. Poligamy, harem, incest -- fuck, let's follow this shit, amirite? I say this because a lot of spite about Christianity seems to stem from Old Testament context (note: I'm not talking about actions of an individuals misinterpretations)

Is this why 90% of Christian rhetoric comes from the Old Testament?

I know, I know, individual misinterpretations, but when you start trying to judge who's interpretation is correct you lose credibility in the religion as a whole.

[Jaybar]

I was merely backing up Pooky's sociological statement. I'm surrounded by Baptists and it makes me sick most of the time. Most of the rhetoric I believe comes from the prophets, though, which related quite a lot to Jesus (I never really studied this part of the Old Testament so it's sorta hazy). Otherwise, the New Testament has a better grasp on how people should act in society (biased I know, but to say it's harmful is quite delerious).

[Pirian]

I was merely backing up Pooky's sociological statement. I'm surrounded by Baptists and it makes me sick most of the time. Most of the rhetoric I believe comes from the prophets, though, which related quite a lot to Jesus (I never really studied this part of the Old Testament so it's sorta hazy). Otherwise, the New Testament has a better grasp on how people should act in society (biased I know, but to say it's harmful is quite delerious).

I've had a Bar Mitzvah, granted that was 8 years ago now lol, so I do know the Old Testament kind of well. I've long since lost any faith I had (not that I was ever really that religious to begin with).

It doesn't really matter where the rhetoric comes from either. If it's picked up by the mainstream then it becomes a part of the religion as a whole, and can't really be brushed off as "individual interpretations". It's still the same religion that gave us great moments in history, such as: the crusades! the Spanish inquisition! the Salem witch trials! All of these events started with a single interpretation that gained popularity for their moment in history, and led to the actions they did. Quite delirious indeed