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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorny
    Enemy critrate- certainly is more useful than i previously gave it credit for if it reduces critrate from say 10% to 6% though, as opposed to a 4% chance of negating enemy's crit(which would be 10% -> 9.6%).
    I have 4 merits in -Enemy Crit Rate. I know I've parsed it before as being a direct reduction, but am having a hard time finding a good sample parse to work from (eg: a merit party on mnk/war).

    Let's see.. Vs Greater Colibri, last time I was there as sam/drg I got hit 102 times, 2 of which were crits. Parse of when I was there as cor, got hit 101 times, 1 crit.

    Unfortunately I'm having a hard time finding a good sample of other people taking damage. Checking various ones, either they're /nin, or I had other peoples' damage turned off for that session. However of the ones I have, others will often get hit with at least 1 crit out of 15-30 hits.

    Ah, here's a couple.

    Lesser Colibri on Drk. I got hit 171 times, 1 crit. 0.58% enemy crit rate.
    Lesser Colibri on Drk w/Pld. Pld got hit 517 times, 20 crits. 3.87% enemy crit rate.

    If you consider the mobs also having a base 5% crit rate, and don't have any excessive amount of dex, then the ~1% crit rate vs me sounds about right. Maybe I can do a party on drk with a Safety Mantle and have a 0% enemy crit rate.

    Overall damage reduction is ~2% for a DD since mobs will have such a high pdiff against you anyway, but should be closer to the full 4% for a pld. Fully turtled-up pld may even get more than 4% damage reduction out of it if they get the enemy's pdiff below 1.0.

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    Err.. So, I took my 4 Enemy Crit merits and Van Pendant (1/18 on popping that stupid bird), filtered misses, and let a bunch of the lower level Mandies beat on me in the tree (65+9 AGI). 5 minutes later I had data!

    5/445 enemy crit hit rate. So I didn't reduce it to 0, look like it's around 1%. Either Van Pendant is fail (entirely possible), or the way SE floors/ceilings screws me (also possible). I'll do the test again without Van Pendant whenever I feel like counting to about 500 again. I have no parser, so it is what it is. For the record, the flies outside were also capable of critting me.


    Edit: Well, looks like I'd have to up my sample size to see any difference between with and without Van Pendant:
    7/475 Without it : ~1.5%
    5/445 With it : ~1.1%

    I'll leave the decimal points to someone with a parser, but I guess my point is that I'm getting a 1% critical hit rate when we would expect a 5% critical hit rate.

    I just realized I have Warrior's Stone (-Crit Hit rate -2%). It's going to take me a while lot longer to get a sample using it because I can't just solo a sample size of 500 in 5 minutes, but I'm working on it. 0/78 with WAR stone and Van Pendant so far.

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    What's better for Asuran?

    Usukane Haramaki vs Shura togi

    Assuming Acc Asuran build.

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    One of my personal favorite sets has been physical dmg down on BLM, it has helped me solo mobs in campaign, survive events, etc. I'm currently tossed up between Novia earring or the new Colossus's Earring.

    My current dmg down set is this, and I will most likely be adding Shantotto phys dmg -4% pants within the next few days:

    input /equip main "Terra's staff" - 20%
    input /equip legs "Morrigan's slops" - Hopefully Shantotto -4%
    input /equip feet "Herald's gaiters"
    input /equip neck "orochi nodowa"
    input /equip back "Umbra cape" -6/12%
    input /equip Ear1 "Sorcerer's earring" -30% when red HP
    input /equip Ear2 "Novia Earring" - Evasion +7
    input /equip Ring1 "Jelly ring" -5%
    input /equip Ring2 "patronus ring" -2/10%

    So what is better for Ear2: Novia with +evasion, or Colossus -1%?

    Also I know lolblmtanking and lol1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdgreg View Post
    One of my personal favorite sets has been physical dmg down on BLM, it has helped me solo mobs in campaign, survive events, etc. I'm currently tossed up between Novia earring or the new Colossus's Earring.

    My current dmg down set is this, and I will most likely be adding Shantotto phys dmg -4% pants within the next few days:

    input /equip main "Terra's staff" - 20%
    input /equip legs "Morrigan's slops" - Hopefully Shantotto -4%
    input /equip feet "Herald's gaiters"
    input /equip neck "orochi nodowa"
    input /equip back "Umbra cape" -6/12%
    input /equip Ear1 "Sorcerer's earring" -30% when red HP
    input /equip Ear2 "Novia Earring" - Evasion +7
    input /equip Ring1 "Jelly ring" -5%
    input /equip Ring2 "patronus ring" -2/10%

    So what is better for Ear2: Novia with +evasion, or Colossus -1%?

    Also I know lolblmtanking and lol1%
    Colossus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdgreg View Post
    One of my personal favorite sets has been physical dmg down on BLM, it has helped me solo mobs in campaign, survive events, etc. I'm currently tossed up between Novia earring or the new Colossus's Earring.

    My current dmg down set is this, and I will most likely be adding Shantotto phys dmg -4% pants within the next few days:

    input /equip main "Terra's staff" - 20%
    input /equip legs "Morrigan's slops" - Hopefully Shantotto -4%
    input /equip feet "Herald's gaiters"
    input /equip neck "orochi nodowa"
    input /equip back "Umbra cape" -6/12%
    input /equip Ear1 "Sorcerer's earring" -30% when red HP
    input /equip Ear2 "Novia Earring" - Evasion +7
    input /equip Ring1 "Jelly ring" -5%
    input /equip Ring2 "patronus ring" -2/10%

    So what is better for Ear2: Novia with +evasion, or Colossus -1%?

    Also I know lolblmtanking and lol1%
    Do you use spellcast? Evasion isn't going to help much but at red HP, your staff + other earring alone cap PDT so you can stick stuff in other places. I'd look into one of the pieces of the Iqqira set since it can Curse personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raen Ryong View Post
    Do you use spellcast? Evasion isn't going to help much but at red HP, your staff + other earring alone cap PDT so you can stick stuff in other places. I'd look into one of the pieces of the Iqqira set since it can Curse personally.
    If he can do that (I forget Spellcast has these neat features), she should make it so that he equips the BLM Earring @ ~30-40%HP and use Ethereal Earring the rest of the time for some spare MP.

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    Thanks guys, I do use spellcast but very minimally (ex. uggy vs ele). I will get the earring as planned and then try to screw with spellcast to optimize.

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    Penta Thrusting things before Byakko's Haidate

    Enkidu's Subligar vs. Hachiman Hakama

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    Not sure how viable it is but seeing as how BLM has a low HP pool to start with cant you just add a lot of +hp gear in hopes to get the Sorcerer's earring into latent instead of worrying about trivial amounts of -PDT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aero View Post
    Not sure how viable it is but seeing as how BLM has a low HP pool to start with cant you just add a lot of +hp gear in hopes to get the Sorcerer's earring into latent instead of worrying about trivial amounts of -PDT?
    Earring needs red hp, so not practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyprias View Post
    What's better for Asuran?

    Usukane Haramaki vs Shura togi

    Assuming Acc Asuran build.
    Capped acc: osode
    Can cap w/ togi/haramaki and not w/ osode: Togi
    Can can't cap w/ togi/osode: haramaki

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    Capped fSTR pre-body: Togi.

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    so then haramaki is for only insanely evasive mobs? atm i'm still working on my MKD hat for asuran, so i need to use virtuoso belt to be able to use KO on asuran. atm my asuran macro has 419.5 acc, which i'm happy with on most things. for my MKD hat, is the acc+10 attack +5 gonna be better than ws damage +2%? i realize it'd let me put stats elsewhere, but they arent really coming to mind atm. can someone who feels thier set up is ideal post thier ws gear?

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    How do you get 419.5acc on MNK without MKD hat...

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    oh sorry, i mean with pizza+1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benz View Post
    so then haramaki is for only insanely evasive mobs? atm i'm still working on my MKD hat for asuran, so i need to use virtuoso belt to be able to use KO on asuran. atm my asuran macro has 419.5 acc, which i'm happy with on most things. for my MKD hat, is the acc+10 attack +5 gonna be better than ws damage +2%? i realize it'd let me put stats elsewhere, but they arent really coming to mind atm. can someone who feels thier set up is ideal post thier ws gear?
    haramaki for lurker, on anything else it's a waste
    MKD allows you to ws in str rings, black belt and so on (and osode).

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    Thanks.

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    Jinx Ampulla versus Phantom Tathlum for nukes? Just picked one up randomly.

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    Phantom Tathlum easily. Not a single job on that piece that should ever be nuking in it, aside from epeening I guess.

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