What's Better?

[Nightfyre]

explain to me how a 2% increase to amount of attacks for both melee and WS loses to 3% more melee attacks only. Especially with a low hit build.

Trolling? Faster attacks = less time to 100 TP = more WS over time. Sword Strap is a 3.09% increase to total DPS.

[Raen Ryong]

At which point I would argue greater flexibility in the body slot (Zahak's, Wyrm Mail +1 etc) beats out the Sword Strap option.

[Zaethi]

Quick sanity check:
Assassin's Cape > Amemet +1 for just about anything, correct?

[Howard Roark]

yeah, I TP in full dex and agi build on THF agi helps you swing faster and DEX raises your pDex by 24% for every 16 swings

[mdkuser]

Quick sanity check:
Assassin's Cape > Amemet +1 for just about anything, correct?

amemet+1 > assassin cape for about anything.

[CubsWoo]

PUP backpiece: Aesir Mantle or Pantin Cape?

[Norellicus]

Pantin Cape if you have it, generally.

[Soho]

At which point I would argue greater flexibility in the body slot (Zahak's, Wyrm Mail +1 etc) beats out the Sword Strap option.

So with a 507 Delay Polearm on DRG/SAM:
Is it the general consensus that Pole Grip + Zahak's Mail + White Tathlum would beat Sword Strap + Aurum/Askar Body + Black Tathlum (assuming capped Acc)?

Or possibly some other combination? I think you need 7 StoreTP with a 507 Delay and 11 Store TP with a 492 Delay for true 6-Hit.

[Emdief]

I believe this has been asked already, but can I have some maths about hagun vs radennotachi dmg 89?

[mdkuser]

I believe this has been asked already, but can I have some maths about hagun vs radennotachi dmg 89?

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showt...t=90339&page=6

[Emdief]

Thanks a lot =)

[Yugl]

So with a 507 Delay Polearm on DRG/SAM:
Is it the general consensus that Pole Grip + Zahak's Mail + White Tathlum would beat Sword Strap + Aurum/Askar Body + Black Tathlum (assuming capped Acc)?

Or possibly some other combination? I think you need 7 StoreTP with a 507 Delay and 11 Store TP with a 492 Delay for true 6-Hit.

You need 22sTP to maintain a 6-hit build with a 507 delay lance (13.8% TP/hit). Sub SAM (15) + Rajas (5) + Brutal (1) leaves you with 1sTP to fill before considering other forms of gear. Combine haste + current sTP gear we get the following slots left free (and their trade offs):

Grip: 4sTP v 2% DA
Ranged: 2sTP v 4ACC/1DEX/4ATT
Neck: 1sTP/5ACC/3STR v 5ACC OR 2ACC/7ATT
Ear: X
Back: sTP+1-3 v 4STR/4DEX/5ACC OR 3STR/15ATT

Depending on how much ACC you need, certain options will be better than others. If already at capped ACC, use the Tathlum. For body, use Wyrm Mail+1 if you have it. Zahaks is not necessarily that good since DRG has shitty critical hit rate already and 10DEX is going to increase your critical hit rate by roughly 1%.

[ssjjfar]

Rapp harness or ACP 3%dual wield for thf

w/ homan legs/hands, turban, swift, suppa

I guess assume acc for the other augment, but was mainly wondering how the attack speeds compare, cause not sure with caclculating/comparing DW with haste numbers.

[Soho]

You need 22sTP to maintain a 6-hit build with a 507 delay lance (13.8% TP/hit). Sub SAM (15) + Rajas (5) + Brutal (1) leaves you with 1sTP to fill before considering other forms of gear. Combine haste + current sTP gear we get the following slots left free (and their trade offs):

Grip: 4sTP v 2% DA
Ranged: 2sTP v 4ACC/1DEX/4ATT
Neck: 1sTP/5ACC/3STR v 5ACC OR 2ACC/7ATT
Ear: X
Back: sTP+1-3 v 4STR/4DEX/5ACC OR 3STR/15ATT

Depending on how much ACC you need, certain options will be better than others. If already at capped ACC, use the Tathlum. For body, use Wyrm Mail+1 if you have it. Zahaks is not necessarily that good since DRG has shitty critical hit rate already and 10DEX is going to increase your critical hit rate by roughly 1%.

Thanks for taking the time to reply, but I kinda knew most of that I think. I should have been more clear and specified that I do not have Wyrm Mail +1, Ares Body or Rose Strap, but I either already have (or have easy access to) nearly everything else.

So... I'm looking for the optimal TP setup for DRG/SAM with 507 Delay Polearm (apart from Wyrm +1, Ares, Rose Strap).

Are you saying that Zahak's Mail isn't worth giving up another slot for Store TP and to just go with Sword Strap, Aurum/Askar Body and Black Tathlum?

[Yugl]

Thanks for taking the time to reply, but I kinda knew most of that I think. I should have been more clear and specified that I do not have Wyrm Mail +1, Ares Body or Rose Strap, but I either already have (or have easy access to) nearly everything else.

So... I'm looking for the optimal TP setup for DRG/SAM with 507 Delay Polearm (apart from Wyrm +1, Ares, Rose Strap).

Are you saying that Zahak's Mail isn't worth giving up another slot for Store TP and to just go with Sword Strap, Aurum/Askar Body and Black Tathlum?

Pretty much.

[mdkuser]

Rapp harness or ACP 3%dual wield for thf

w/ homan legs/hands, turban, swift, suppa

I guess assume acc for the other augment, but was mainly wondering how the attack speeds compare, cause not sure with caclculating/comparing DW with haste numbers.

rapparee. if you are solo, +3% DW is +3.9% damage and rapparee is +5.1%. If you are in a melee burn DW is ... still +3.9% while rapparee is +9.3 %. whatever stats you put in the other slot will no beat the difference except maybe solo where it could be =. If you want to do a usefull acp body make a ws body ( att+10 acc+10), that can be used by other jobs too.

[Raen Ryong]

Yah, I didn't mean TPing in Zahak's Mail; sorry for the confusion. I meant the ability to WS/Jump/etc in it, Ares Cuirass is also another piece which is worth considering dropping the Sword Strap for.

[Akyrey90]

for helixes,is it better errant/mahatma houppelande or royal redingote with macc +4 and mab +4?

[Cymmina]

for helixes,is it better errant/mahatma houppelande or royal redingote with macc +4 and mab +4?

For helix, it is nearly always better to stack INT, unless we're talking about swapping something like Novio vs Phantom+1.

For my gear (73+56+5 INT, 20+26 MAB, maxed helix+stormsurge merits vs Puddings), the difference is 175 vs 166 in favor of Mahatma for Cryohelix+Hailstorm. Even the Errant (172) is still better than RR. That's according to a damage calculator. In reality, I've rarely had those numbers match up right for helix; I usually do more damage than what it says I should.

[StevenW]

Soloing, evasion build

Hydra Mail vs. Scorpion harness+1?

btw I have thf at 59 so maybe SH+1 will be better in the long run