What's Better?

[Callisto]

I sort of figured that, though I guess my main issue was 4-5 STR vs. 12 Attack. For something like Guillo I'm guessing I should generally stick to Hauberk +1/Askar for the Attack?

[Cream Soda]

Punsiher+ridill is better than Gaxe unless you use hasso. Soon as you don't use hasso 100% of the time, dualwield is better. And no you can't use hasso 100% of the time. And the answer to the question is obviously brutal earring.

Who can't use hasso 100% of the time? >.> I sure as hell do lol. Hasso 100% or have me come out on mnk lol.

[Raen Ryong]

I sort of figured that, though I guess my main issue was 4-5 STR vs. 12 Attack. For something like Guillo I'm guessing I should generally stick to Hauberk +1/Askar for the Attack?

It's vs less than 12 Attack in reality. The 4-5 STR difference is also providing Attack, so it's closer to vs ~7-8 Attack. Generally I would expect the STR difference to win there unless you're very underbuffed.

[pchan]

Who can't use hasso 100% of the time? >.> I sure as hell do lol. Hasso 100% or have me come out on mnk lol.

No you can't.

[Callisto]

Along the same lines as before and with my normal lolnoRajas, with my RC build vs. birds...

At the moment I have

RC/Rose/Bomblet
Askar/PCC/Hollow/Brutal
Nocturnus/Askar/Thunder/Thunder
Cuch/Swift/Haidate/Aurum

I'm 1 DEX over dDEX cap for birds, but I need to land all 3 RR hits to cleanly 6-hit if I'm not getting hit.

Right now I have it set to chance to Askar body with Aggressor up, making a natural 6-hit, but obviously losing a good chunk of crit rate. I 100% Hasso in merits(using WHM 2box) so damage taken will fill usually fill in if I miss a RR hit. so would keeping the capped crit rate be preferable to gaining a natural 6-hit?

[Fereydoon]

So, Assuming full summoning magic skill merit's and a set to buff it. Would I be anywhere near capped on pet acc? Like, when I redo my ACP body can I do MAB/MAcc and att. Or would I need the acc? I'm doing a Pet: att magian staff as well.

[Thorny]

So, Assuming full summoning magic skill merit's and a set to buff it. Would I be anywhere near capped on pet acc? Like, when I redo my ACP body can I do MAB/MAcc and att. Or would I need the acc? I'm doing a Pet: att magian staff as well.

If you have good gear, you should probably just do pet: MAB and MAB + Perpetuation. Physical BPs pale in comparison on higher end things, and there's not much left people are scared to put melee on.

[midguardian]

Great Katana damage per TP phase and WS: (Average melee damage x 5) + Average WS damage
(Notes on Soboro Adjusted WS Damage: I used 3 rounds after WS to 100TP for simplicity sake, this model is more favorable to Soboro than the most reliable calculation I have seen regarding Soboros extra attacks. I also gave Soboro one extra attack round for damage, because it will have damage from “wasted” swings).

No modifications (no WS gorget):
Radennotachi: (95 x 5) + 598 = 1073
Hagun: (82 x 5) + 660 = 1070
Soboro: (48 x 6) + 639 = 927
(Adjusted WS Damage = (Average WS Damage x 3)/2 = 639)

For Raden and Hagun it seems you are estimating the total damage done over 5 attack rounds plus a weaponskill. In line with your estimates, let's assume Soboro attacks 1.9 times per attack round. Assuming 3 attack rounds to 100+ TP for Soboro, it will WS 1.67 times over 5 attack rounds. Your numbers for Soboro should be:

Soboro: (48 x 1.9 x 5) + (426 x 1.67) = 1167

I only scanned your other calculations. I'm not familiar with SAM numbers to know if everything is reasonable, but looked ok. I did notice you don't floor your WSC numbers correctly.

WSC: (142 x 0.75) x .83 = 88 (Should be 87 instead of 88. Truncate after each step.)

If you want to know how to calculate WS frequency for multi-hit weapons, you can look at posts in this thread or the Magian Trial thread or dissect Brythnoth's spreadsheet.

[cdgreg]

I just finished Magnatus DMG: 39, Delay: 600, Augment DMG:+7 for QD.

For meriting with joytoy and only shooting for WS does Martial Gun wtfpwn the above magnatus?

[Callisto]

7 D is still a pretty big increase in damage, it kind of depends on the amount of racc bonus for Slug with the TP bonus/your Slug racc without it. At 100-200% TP Martial should win for Detonator hands down.

I personally would stick with Martial since I know I barely cap Slug acc on birds with Martial and a pretty solid gearset.

[miokomioko]

In what order would these weapons be ranked for an otherwise decently decked out melee PUP? (not really taking pet into account)


Mantis
DMG:+21 Delay:+55

Wargfangs
DMG:+17 Delay:+65
Occasionally Attacks Twice

Shenlong's Baghnakhs
DMG:+21 Delay:+51
STR+3 Accuracy+10
"Double Attack"+1%
"Subtle Blow"+3

Hades Sainti +1
DMG:+19 Delay:+49
Accuracy+9 Evasion+9
"Subtle Blow"+9
Enmity+9

Kenkonken
DMG:+22 Delay:+49
Enhances "Martial Arts" effect
Aftermath: Occasionally Attacks Twice

Oberon's Sainti (whatever ultimate combination of augments)
DMG:+15 Delay:+51
[Hand-to-hand Skill +10]
[DMG+4]
[Attack+6]
[Accuracy+6]

[Arximiro]

Is it better to use Sword Strap on Warrior if you can keep 6/7 hit than to use Pole? With White Tath and Atila's I can keep my 7 hit, jw if that would be best.

Inb4 sub Sam, I know. My LS has us War/Nin a lot so I'm always trying to maximize it.

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Also Inb4 get new ls, please just answer.

[Cairthenn]

It would be, yes.

[Arximiro]

It's pretty easy to keep 7 hit /nin and 6 hit /sam using Sword Strap. Why don't more people use it if it's better? Jw

[Shinryuu]

Because it's not easy and the sacrifices made hurt more than sword strap makes up for?

[Arximiro]

It's pretty easy? Use White Tath instead of Bomblet is all I had to do. Just have to land 2 of 3 hits of RR to keep 7 hit which is np. If you have capped acc the tradeoff is 6atk 2%da vs 3% delay.

Keeping 6 hit /sam is a little harder since you need 3 more stp after White Tath to keep true 6 hit. 3% delay reductions seems worth it though. I know it's not equal to 3% haste atk speed wise, but it's pretty close no?

I'm not good with the math, so yeah.

[pchan]

In what order would these weapons be ranked for an otherwise decently decked out melee PUP? (not really taking pet into account)


Mantis
DMG:+21 Delay:+55

Wargfangs
DMG:+17 Delay:+65
Occasionally Attacks Twice

Shenlong's Baghnakhs
DMG:+21 Delay:+51
STR+3 Accuracy+10
"Double Attack"+1%
"Subtle Blow"+3

Hades Sainti +1
DMG:+19 Delay:+49
Accuracy+9 Evasion+9
"Subtle Blow"+9
Enmity+9

Kenkonken
DMG:+22 Delay:+49
Enhances "Martial Arts" effect
Aftermath: Occasionally Attacks Twice

Oberon's Sainti (whatever ultimate combination of augments)
DMG:+15 Delay:+51
[Hand-to-hand Skill +10]
[DMG+4]
[Attack+6]
[Accuracy+6]

acc needed :
kenkonken shenlong oberon hades sainti +1 mantis warfang
acc not needed
kenkonken shenlong oberon mantis hades sainti+1 warfang

[Khajit]

This is assuming magians trials done on the relic?

[Dathus]

Drakesbane question: When not hitting the 117 DEX for WSing on birds/any enemy, what's better? Love Torque or Sea gorget?

V.Fork/Pole/x/Elvaan Satchet
Heca/?/Brutal/Triumph
Zahak's/AF+1/Rajas/Flame
Forager's +1 DEX/Warwolf/Ares/Heca+1

Current total with Love atm: 108. Have a Thunder Ring, but I'll still be missing 4 DEX and I can't make it up anywhere else atm.

[miokomioko]

Yeah, that's why I listed its DMG at +22 instead of 17 or whatever~

I couldn't even fathom having a mythic/relic and not kicking the dmg up by 5~7.