What's Better?

[Midnightjade]

Magian Axe Bonebiter(Dmg:47+6) vs. Maneater

Probably a dumb question, but I wanted to see what someone else thought.

Someone I know a little bit just completed a Bonebiter and seems pretty keen on it. If you want I can ask him for some more info and the setup he's using it with (e.g. WAR vs BST)

Dual wielding the 46/312 OAT magian axe with Temperance axe 39/276 would probably give you the best damage.

Of course that is assuming jailer weapons can proc with the magian weapons. Anyone know for sure if they can? I would assume magians is just giving you a DA bonus since it doesn't stack (can't triple), whereas jailer weapons seem to stack with everything.

Not sure. Temp + Fendoir both proc when dual wielded, don't know about Magian OAT axe + Temp. Plus I think the OP might want it for WAR rather than BST.

[Yubar]

DA on one hit WS is one of the most overrated stats there is. Your DA hit will have 1.0 ftp, and you will not have the accuracy bonus of the first hit on the DA hits, making it a miss most likely. 1% DA is almost like 0.5% damage ASSUMING you connect 100% of the time, which is another big if on HNM, more like 0.25% damage increase, which is far less than attack can offer on higher defense if you are not capped, which you probably won't even after the ratio bonus.

Does that mean I shouldn't be using a Brutal Earring to WS in say Y/G/K and instead use two Vampire Earrings?

[Murdock]

Someone I know a little bit just completed a Bonebiter and seems pretty keen on it. If you want I can ask him for some more info and the setup he's using it with (e.g. WAR vs BST)

If you could ask that would be great. I am wanting this axe for my Warrior.

[Nameless]

Does that mean I shouldn't be using a Brutal Earring to WS in say Y/G/K and instead use two Vampire Earrings?

Brutal will give you around 2.5% increase in WS damage (with hagun, without hagun it is about 3% increase) ASSUMING you don't miss. Depends on the mob you fight, the harder mob it is, the less likely you are going to connect your DA hit. So it can range from being a 1% increase to close to 2.5% increase or 3%. Vampire earring will give you a guarantee 1 fstr, and 2-3 WSC and 3 att. On low end mobs, you are gonna be capped on fstr and ratio, making it a 2-3 WSC increase, which is about 1.5 ~ 2.25 % increase and brutal will be better. Against harder mobs, you should be able to take advantage of the fstr and 3 att, which is really more than that due to the ratio bonus and should have about 2.25% to 3% increase or more in damage without counting the 3 att.

So yes, on harder mob Vampire wins, on weaker mob brutal wins.

Edit: I forgot it is 75% str mode... kept thinking 50%. This gives Vampire more of an edge.

[Clerix]

What's better: Teiwaz Cure potency+15% or templar/muse?

Not sure how 5% cure potency compares to 9-12 mind.

My current setup:

*/*/x/hhbomb
mke/fylgja/loq/novia
aristo/blessed/tamas/trooper
errant/spectral/asa/blessed +1

mke: mnd+6/cure potency
asa: movement +8/cure potency+5

trooper changed to sapphire (augmented vit+2/int-1/str-1) for cure5
spectral changed to penitent's for cure 5
errant changed to aslan for cure 5

Should I use the new MND+3 strap instead of the -2enm strap if using teiwaz?

*I currently use templar/muse. Not started Teiwaz magian yet.

[Martinius]

What's better: Teiwaz Cure potency+15% or templar/muse?

Not sure how 5% cure potency compares to 9-12 mind.

My current setup:

*/*/x/hhbomb
mke/fylgja/loq/novia
aristo/blessed/tamas/trooper
errant/spectral/asa/blessed +1

mke: mnd+6/cure potency
asa: movement +8/cure potency+5

trooper changed to sapphire (augmented vit+2/int-1/str-1) for cure5
spectral changed to penitent's for cure 5
errant changed to aslan for cure 5

Should I use the new MND+3 strap instead of the -2enm strap if using teiwaz?

*I currently use templar/muse. Not started Teiwaz magian yet.

friend did the math and teiwaz won. her build was similar to yours (i don't have screenshots, and don't know enough about whm to be an authority, but she's got an amazing build.) i do know she picked up the mnd +3 strap.

[Fredjan]

15% cure potency does indeed win over Templar Mace/Muse Tariqah, especially on the weaker cures, excessive MND does not improve them much to be worth noting, whereas Cure Potency does.

Generally the way cures work is cure potency > MND > VIT > healing skill, most effective being the first option, least effective being the last (This is why I cringe at any WHM using Cleric's Pantaloons healing, in general >.> plenty exist). By the time you're 75, all cures, except for Cure V, are 'capped' and you won't notice much of a difference having excessive MND, but you will with cure potency. They obviously have a more noticeable effect on cure V, but Templar Mace/Muse Tariqah does fall behind of a 15% cure potency Teiwaz even without the extra MND from a strap.

Remember that if you wanted to you could equip a Raptor Strap +1 for MND+2 if you lack the +3 MND grip.

[StevenW]

I have a little bit of a problem. I'm considering buying a peacock charm, but if I remove chiv chain it'll break my 6 hit build on SAM.

I have 2 possible solutions I've thought about, and I'd like to know which you think is a better idea, if either one is better than my current setup.

Current: Chiv chain, brutal, rajas, rose strap, dusk gloves, tiphia sting
solution#1: PCC, brutal earring, rajas ring, pole grip, hachiman kote, tiphia sting (-3% haste, +2% double attack, +5 acc)
solution#2: PCC, brutal earring, rajas ring, rose strap, dusk gloves, white tathlum (+3 acc, -2 att, -2,000,000 gil)

Unfortunately solution 2 not only costs a lot, but it drops 2 acc (thus defeating the purpose of adding more acc with neck piece) and I'll only see a 3 acc gain from chiv>pcc.

Also, are there other acceptable ways to pick up enough store tp without food / usukane sune-ate?

[Tsuko_Asura]

Domaru/Rajas/Brutal, WS in whatever you want

ACP/Rajas/Brutal/Rose, WS in whatever you want

ACP/Rajas/Brutal/Tathlum, WS in whatever you want

[StevenW]

Domaru/Rajas/Brutal, WS in whatever you want

ACP/Rajas/Brutal/Rose, WS in whatever you want

ACP/Rajas/Brutal/Tathlum, WS in whatever you want

I'm really thinking of rebuilding my ACP body.. So I can have a decent 6 setup without dropping 10/12 acc.

[Tsuko_Asura]

There are better uses for ACP, IMO, and that accuracy is pretty superfluous most of the time with sushi/pizza.

[Dooom]

Also, are there other acceptable ways to pick up enough store tp without food / usukane sune-ate?

Ecphoria Ring.

[Frankwhite]

For PLD/nin TP/Atonement build, which combo of these earrings would be best: Suppa, Ethereal, and Brutal?

I just picked up an Ethereal and was previously using Suppa/Brutal and am now wondering which one of those earrings should I replace with Ethereal, if any?

Rest of my TP set for pld/nin:

Joytoy/koenig/lamian+1/x
w.turban/PCC/?/?
haub+1/homam/rajas/tor
cuch/vbelt/homam/homam

[Devinry]

Suppa/Brutal

[StevenW]

Ecphoria Ring.

I totally overlooked that. I'd lose 1.5 acc from my sniper's (+1 dex augment) and probably look stupid, but I gain 5 acc switching chiv to pcc.

Well, problem solved! Lol

[Kamil]

For PLD/nin TP/Atonement build, which combo of these earrings would be best: Suppa, Ethereal, and Brutal?

I just picked up an Ethereal and was previously using Suppa/Brutal and am now wondering which one of those earrings should I replace with Ethereal, if any?

Rest of my TP set for pld/nin:

Joytoy/koenig/lamian+1/x
w.turban/PCC/?/?
haub+1/homam/rajas/tor
cuch/vbelt/homam/homam

Use Goblin Cracker.

[Limlight]

I got ethereal as well and to this day regret it. Wish I had picked hollow. Maybe one day i'll unlazy myself and do it. Hollow is a great piece for dd pld (if you don't have suppa)

[Eldelphia]

What's better: Teiwaz Cure potency+15% or templar/muse?

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I did the same thing when it came out, Teiwaz wins and I found this useful. Essentially I had a templar/num shield +1 and the potential to get a muse (tried a couple of times but my ZNM luck is used up in Salvage). So I did the number crunching. I'm prolly the person Mart is talking about.

For Cure V (I'm a hume) I use

Selenian Cap (Cure potency/-ENM)
Morgana's Choker
Aristocrat's
Cleric's Belt/Korin Obi
Errant
Blessed Mitts (need HQ really)
ASA Pants (same as yours)
Marduk's Crackows
Tamas/Aqua
Novia/Roundel
HH Bomb
Teiwaz/Reign

But I think I worked out that even if you don't take MND in the grip slot, it still quite a way ahead. My Cure Vs work out around 968 if I can ever find anyone hurt that bad. I figure it's overkill for V now but nice for other cures which MND won't push up and when the level cap goes up Cure potency may be the way SE deals with the increased HP. I am starting to lose a ton of MP though to gear, so I've kept my dryad/staff strap for initial casting. I have 8/8 MP merits.

[Aevis]

af1+1 vs okote for sam penta ws built. or forget both and tell xol to drop some bkote?

[Martinius]

af1+1 vs okote for sam penta ws built. or forget both and tell xol to drop some bkote?

in the last random question thread, someone did the maths, and it worked out that okote + warwolf was, in most situations, the better choice.